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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Yeah I knew all about it and what he was saying, I just thought it was a very weird thing to say, kids not going to the movies etc.
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Yeah I knew all about it and what he was saying, I just thought it was a very weird thing to say, kids not going to the movies etc.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
I forgot to post the answers to the quiz - which was near enough to:
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1. Those four were the only rugby internationals to be awarded the Victoria Cross.
2. They played for the same rugby club in Dublin – Wanderers F.C. [for whom, much later, Pat Howard and Andrew Slack also played.]
3. Two possible answers:
(a) they were team mates in what we would now call the first British and Irish Lions tour – to South Africa in 1896.
(b) They both earned their VCs in the Boer War
There would have been a few more casualties to the touring party on their 2nd trip.
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1. Those four were the only rugby internationals to be awarded the Victoria Cross.
2. They played for the same rugby club in Dublin – Wanderers F.C. [for whom, much later, Pat Howard and Andrew Slack also played.]
3. Two possible answers:
(a) they were team mates in what we would now call the first British and Irish Lions tour – to South Africa in 1896.
(b) They both earned their VCs in the Boer War
There would have been a few more casualties to the touring party on their 2nd trip.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
It must be in the water over there and I reckon that John Mitchell must have drunk a few glasses from the same stream.
Going back to the rugby international VC winners mentioned above:
- Crean must have been a brave bloke as after his Boer War VC he won a DSO in WWI.
- Harvey also won the Military Cross in WWI - and lived to age 91.
- Harrison died of his wounds in the Zeerbrugge raid and was awarded the VC posthumously.
Going back to the rugby international VC winners mentioned above:
- Crean must have been a brave bloke as after his Boer War VC he won a DSO in WWI.
- Harvey also won the Military Cross in WWI - and lived to age 91.
- Harrison died of his wounds in the Zeerbrugge raid and was awarded the VC posthumously.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
Given the relatively few VC's handed out, the fact that four recipients were rugby internationals is truly remarkable.
Reminds me of the Bruce Ross post as to why he wouldn't want to be next to Phil Waugh in the trenches.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Didn't know where to put this but in the Pacific Nations Cup game between Fiji and Japan, Fiji suffered 2 red cards and 3 yellow cards during the match, at one stage down to 12 players. They were all unjustified, just regulation high/dangerous tackles. Allowed Japan to win the game with a bonus point and win the Cup. One of the worst refereeing displays I've ever seen.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
• Have just watched my recording of the 1997 Bledisloe match in Dunedin. There's a few unusual things in the test match including:
- a lovely right hand by Coker to the jaw of Fitzpatrick
- a monumental dummy spit by David Knox against touchie Derek Bevan, which Michael Foley couldn't stop
- some brilliant runs by the great Christian Cullen
- Larkham ghosting through from fullback and showing other skills and scoring two meat pies
- The Wallabies scoring 4 tries to 3 and 60 points scored in the game
- the comeback by the Wallabies but too many goal kicks missed by Knox for any chance of a win
- French referee Joel Dume penalised Robin Brooke (one of the best cheats the game has ever seen) and said “He passed the ball and you banged him.” [Maybe they would allow that in a “friendly”, but it was a Bledisloe match.] For once Brooke wasn't guilty. It was an alleged charging incident after the ball was passed and Gregan had his shorts on so he couldn't have been banged anyway. It was a bum rap.
- After Dume had awarded one of his many penalties commentator Grant Nisbett said: “The TAB might have to open another option: the number of penalties.” Nisbo had a point: Dume didn't miss a lot and awarded 38 penalties according to the TV caption at the end of the game.
- but all that aside…
Quiz
What was singular about the game?
[There is more than one answer; so it probably wasn't singular - but you have to give my answer, and in the form I'm thinking of.]
- a lovely right hand by Coker to the jaw of Fitzpatrick
- a monumental dummy spit by David Knox against touchie Derek Bevan, which Michael Foley couldn't stop
- some brilliant runs by the great Christian Cullen
- Larkham ghosting through from fullback and showing other skills and scoring two meat pies
- The Wallabies scoring 4 tries to 3 and 60 points scored in the game
- the comeback by the Wallabies but too many goal kicks missed by Knox for any chance of a win
- French referee Joel Dume penalised Robin Brooke (one of the best cheats the game has ever seen) and said “He passed the ball and you banged him.” [Maybe they would allow that in a “friendly”, but it was a Bledisloe match.] For once Brooke wasn't guilty. It was an alleged charging incident after the ball was passed and Gregan had his shorts on so he couldn't have been banged anyway. It was a bum rap.
- After Dume had awarded one of his many penalties commentator Grant Nisbett said: “The TAB might have to open another option: the number of penalties.” Nisbo had a point: Dume didn't miss a lot and awarded 38 penalties according to the TV caption at the end of the game.
- but all that aside…
Quiz
What was singular about the game?
[There is more than one answer; so it probably wasn't singular - but you have to give my answer, and in the form I'm thinking of.]
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
Sometimes the best of lines get no response, LG, but we press on regardless.
#1 Tah
Chilla Wilson (44)
The more things change.....
DPK
Peter Sullivan (51)
I see what you did there. This is not the place for Shepeard quotes...
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
Bad terminology. They should either get it right, and say it's for not releasing after making an attempt to play the ball, or introduce "double movement" as correct terminology (that is, making two attempts to place/play the ball).
Oh, and Otago is absolutely giving it to Harbour. Interesting to see Phil Mooney has called old stager Kees Mueews back. Combined with Tony Brown, and Otago must be looking to set records for old combinations.
Oh, and Otago is absolutely giving it to Harbour. Interesting to see Phil Mooney has called old stager Kees Mueews back. Combined with Tony Brown, and Otago must be looking to set records for old combinations.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
What many folks don't realise is that "double movement" is not in the rugby league laws either. I thought they called them "rules" but you can access a website that outlines: the Australian Rugby League Laws Of The Game 2010.
In them they say: "Second movement after a tackle - When an attacking player is tackled within easy reach of the goal line he should be penalised if he makes a second movement to place the ball over the line for a try."
"Second movement" not "double movement." It's only trivial but this is the thread for it and it diminishes the sanctity of the term "double movement" mentioned by their commentators as almost a sacrament, and which we, aping them, use in our utterances about rugby union.
Those laws can be varied in countries for their domestic games but that website (cut and paste what I typed and google it) lists the official laws.
I mentioned this a couple of years ago and diligent forum members came up with sites that listed league laws/rules that mentioned "double movement," but they were just the websites' own terminology of what the international laws said, perhaps purporting to be something else.
In them they say: "Second movement after a tackle - When an attacking player is tackled within easy reach of the goal line he should be penalised if he makes a second movement to place the ball over the line for a try."
"Second movement" not "double movement." It's only trivial but this is the thread for it and it diminishes the sanctity of the term "double movement" mentioned by their commentators as almost a sacrament, and which we, aping them, use in our utterances about rugby union.
Those laws can be varied in countries for their domestic games but that website (cut and paste what I typed and google it) lists the official laws.
I mentioned this a couple of years ago and diligent forum members came up with sites that listed league laws/rules that mentioned "double movement," but they were just the websites' own terminology of what the international laws said, perhaps purporting to be something else.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
• Otago v North Harbour After scrummie Romans kicked through a “worm burner” to gain ground for Otago, Stu Wilson said: “That's tidy; just get the fat boys up front - just get them walking the same direction – they hate walking backwards.” Indeed old Kees Meuws seemed to be enjoying the go forward.
• Grumbles mentioned this rumour in the SMH last week:
A high-profile player opted not to join a Sydney club after hearing an official who is besotted by him was in the running there for a coaching job.
The second "coming" of an old Wallaby coach, you think?
• Spoke to the Rats GM last Saturday. I forget the exact figures mentioned but there were about 50 out of 150 players unavailable at the time, including 5 pregnant Ratettes.
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• Grumbles mentioned this rumour in the SMH last week:
A high-profile player opted not to join a Sydney club after hearing an official who is besotted by him was in the running there for a coaching job.
The second "coming" of an old Wallaby coach, you think?
• Spoke to the Rats GM last Saturday. I forget the exact figures mentioned but there were about 50 out of 150 players unavailable at the time, including 5 pregnant Ratettes.
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