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RUGBY FEROCITY IS TAKING HUGE TOLL ON PLAYERS

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Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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Pulled this from "The Sunday Express" Regarding the high injury toll in rugby now. Eddie Jones we should speed the game up to lower the injury rate but he wrote somewhere else that he was against the ELV's which speed the game up. :nta: The figures coming out of the UK are pretty damming who amongst us would work at a job that had us injured 20% of the time?
Sunday October 19,2008
By Jim Holden

HOW they laughed in the crowd when Josh Lewsey and Danny Cipriani indulged in a bout of shadow boxing after combining for a thrilling Wasps try in a Heineken Cup match.

A few days earlier Lewsey had knocked out his team-mate with a punch in the face during a training ground flare-up that prompted front page headlines and much critical comment.

The shadow boxing was a light-hearted moment to show the world they were pals again, to prove that what would be considered outrageous and disgraceful in soccer, and criminal assault on a public street, was just a routine and trivial part of macho rugby culture.

It is not hard to believe that Lewsey and Cipriani had swiftly made up because rugby union is different to soccer.

But that doesn?t mean the game is correct to take such incidents lightly. It is not.

Right now, professional rugby union has reached a vital crossroads in the matter of the inherent violence of the game and the number of serious injuries suffered by players, celebrated or obscure.

Certainly, the issue of concussion is not to be taken casually.

Two years ago Australian star Elton Flatley had to retire at the age of 28 due to blurred vision that followed sustained bouts of concussion.

Flatley is one of 40 international rugby players whose careers have ended prematurely due to chronic injury in the past four years.

Last week brought the latest victim, James Forrester, a fine flanker for Gloucester and England, who stopped at the age of 27 because of a dud knee.

Forrester just about held back the tears as he said his farewell speech at the training ground, but could not bear to watch Gloucester?s next match.

The truth, unpalatable though it may be to some in rugby, is that injuries are devastating the game. The facts and figures are alarming, and here?s just a few from an official RFU investigation:

* On average, each rugby union player spends 19 per cent of a calendar year on the treatment table.

* The incidence of injury in international matches is 29 per cent ? which means a one-in-four chance of being crocked while playing for your country.

* There are 92 injuries per team per season in the English Premiership.

Injuries are an occupational hazard, but these figures are damning, far worse than other major sports, and far worse than rugby union should tolerate.


Behind the statistics lies individual heartache. Among the most distressing stories is that of English rugby?s iconic modern player, Jonny Wilkinson, who is currently facing another five months off the field with a shattered knee.

To catalogue the wreckage suffered by Wilkinson?s body over the past five years would take this whole page.

What struck me was the prevalent theory in rugby that his situation has been made worse by the fact he has continued to loyally play for a weakish Newcastle team and is therefore under more pressure in matches and more likely to be hurt.

That theory may well be correct. If so, it is a damaging advert for the sport ? that playing for the wrong team is seriously bad for your health. Maybe the rugby shirt of lesser sides should come with a warning on it like those on
cigarette packets.

To any sane observer the risk in rugby is now unacceptably high.

Insiders are saying it, too. Listen to Eddie Jones, the former coach of Australia, and now director of rugby at Saracens, who gave a bleak warning last week, saying: ?Unless something is done playing careers will get shorter and shorter.?

What to do? Some say give players more protection like the American gridiron footballers. But evidence suggests that could be counter-productive, with players more willing to take big hits because they feel less vulnerable.

Jones says the game needs to be speeded up because increased pace would reduce the number of heavy collisions where many injuries are sustained.

A change in the macho culture of rugby is surely also required. They need a different attitude to the violence of the game, so that when a player is knocked out in training, the incident is not brushed aside with a boys-will-be-boys mentality.

Concussion is not a joke.

I don?t blame either Lewsey or Cipriani for their bout of shadow boxing, immersed as they are in the current mood.

Lewsey is as far from a hooligan type as you will find in sport. I remember very well how, exactly a year ago, he joined a group of sportswriters for a convivial dinner at the famous Brasserie Lipp restaurant on the Boulevard St Germain in Paris a couple of nights before the Rugby World Cup final.

We had to stand outside on the street for 30 minutes because the waiters were deliberately slow in getting a table ready that had been booked. Lewsey, a world champion sportsman, did not complain for a moment.

Within five minutes of eventually sitting down, a waiter had spotted Lewsey among us and suddenly they were fawning all over him asking for autographs and pictures of the man whose try had been crucial in England?s semi-final defeat of France.

Lewsey?s conversation was intelligent and convivial that night, a treasure for the memory.

But I wish he hadn?t been there. I wish he had been back in the England camp that night preparing to play in the World Cup final against South Africa, a match that might have been won with him on the wing.

The bitter fact, however, is that Josh Lewsey had been crocked in the semi-final. He was out injured.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Well spotted, Sully; food for thought. My young bloke's leaving school in the next fortnight and is starting to think what he should do about rugby next year. I'd hate to think he's looking at extended periods recuperating from injuries rather than enjoying the game.
 
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brokendown gunfighter

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what constitutes an injury?These stats need to be analyised,eg"on average,each rugby union player spends 19% of a calender year on the treatment table" That is 72 days of the year,not even George Gregan spent that amount of time on the table!
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Great article - lots of "problems", no solutions.

The latest Eddie Jones schizophrenia is a peach though
 

Cutter

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
The definition of injury is relevant. I can believe that after a test match 1 in 3-4 players would need treatment. That is 6-7 in a squad of 22. Since professionalism, players' weight and strength has increased but bodies dont necessarily become more resilient. I guess it makes sense that if the game is faster, players wont be able to be as bulky and therefore, presumably, lighter and not as strong, meaning the collisions will be less savage.

There are some players who would inflate these statistics, JW is obviously one, Rathbone, Heenan, MMM, Larkham, Lachlan Mackay, Cordingley...Conversely, George Smith and Gregan appear almost indestructible.

As a player who suffered a career ending knee injury and who, 8 years later, cant run because of the same injury, I have mixed feelings about my children (as yet unborn) playing rugby. Whilst the mateship and camaraderie are valuable, I imagine there are other sports where you can find the same things. It is a brutal sport and I'm glad these issues are being raised. Coming so soon after the Daniel James tragedy, this is perhaps timely.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Our expert on this field Dr Tim Noakes warned against this many moons ago. Jake White listen and got the right results regarding this in 2007.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Rest and rotation in the World Cup year looked to have done the trick...

All depends on the level of rugby you're playing - these guys are professionals and expected to take their bodies beyond limits most of us could conceive.
 

Cutter

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
NTA said:
All depends on the level of rugby you're playing - these guys are professionals and expected to take their bodies beyond limits most of us could conceive.

They are also playing against bigger, fitter, faster and stronger blokes than play in your average subbies club Nick. The injuries at a professional level are more serious and more regular than at amateur level.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Relative fitness and impact is a relevant consideration, though, Cutter. I look at guys like Anthony O'Leary and Donal Lenihan who played in the amateur era, and they're utterly screwed with back/neck/hip injuries.

My dad quit rugby after having a bad broken pelvis/lower spinal injury. Took up reffing. I've permanently shortened my neck aged 17. Three dead teeth, dodgy right knee and ankle, still gunshy on my right knee after blowing it twice. Stingers galore. I've heard the sound of a guy breaking his neck (vertebrae, thank Christ, not cord) within inches of my ears. I've immobilised his neck afterwards, hoping for half an hour before we finally saw a reaction in his feet.

If you play rugby, you will end up with a long-term injury. My neck has crackled since I've been seventeen. I will need new knees at some stage.

But not one moment of playing would I have given up for it.

My dad knew the risks letting us play - and so did my mum, who was on the sideline when my dad broke his pelvis - but they let us play. And I'm glad they did.

This is the greatest winter game ever devised. I love it, heart and soul. And, frankly, we're only built for a forty-five year lifespan as is. I'll take those odds, and, please God, will take my chances of being guys like Friedhelm Lixenfeld, Denis O'Sullivan, my former driver, or Tommy Kiernan and Charlie Hennessy, still making holy shows of ourselves in our seventies.

That said, there is no excuse, ever, under any circumstances, for making the game more dangerous, or undoing something that made the game safer - which is why the maul ELV must go.
 
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Turban

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Thomond78 said:
Relative fitness and impact is a relevant consideration, though, Cutter. I look at guys like Anthony O'Leary and Donal Lenihan who played in the amateur era, and they're utterly screwed with back/neck/hip injuries.

My dad quit rugby after having a bad broken pelvis/lower spinal injury. Took up reffing. I've permanently shortened my neck aged 17. Three dead teeth, dodgy right knee and ankle, still gunshy on my right knee after blowing it twice. Stingers galore. I've heard the sound of a guy breaking his neck (vertebrae, thank Christ, not cord) within inches of my ears. I've immobilised his neck afterwards, hoping for half an hour before we finally saw a reaction in his feet.

If you play rugby, you will end up with a long-term injury. My neck has crackled since I've been seventeen. I will need new knees at some stage.

But not one moment of playing would I have given up for it.

My dad knew the risks letting us play - and so did my mum, who was on the sideline when my dad broke his pelvis - but they let us play. And I'm glad they did.

This is the greatest winter game ever devised. I love it, heart and soul. And, frankly, we're only built for a forty-five year lifespan as is. I'll take those odds, and, please God, will take my chances of being guys like Friedhelm Lixenfeld, Denis O'Sullivan, my former driver, or Tommy Kiernan and Charlie Hennessy, still making holy shows of ourselves in our seventies.

That said, there is no excuse, ever, under any circumstances, for making the game more dangerous, or undoing something that made the game safer - which is why the maul ELV must go.

Hear, hear!

The thing is, how many of these injuries are because the guys play too much rugby. I play about 16 games a year, thats about 4 months, and as much as I hate the off season my body loves it. Most Pro players are playing almost all year. And they start younger, playing against tough veterans. Sure a few of us played senior rugby in our late teens but I wasn't playing against the likes of Nonu, or Palu, or Horwill. Guys like O'Connor come into the game striaght out of school, I can't imagine how hard that is. Guys like O'Connor are far more likely to have long term injury problems. Look at some of the other guys who started young in S14, Heenan, M&M, these guys have been broken far more than 20% of the season. Maybe thats part of the problem. We're so desperate to get the young guys away from League we're throwing them to the Lions.

Either way theres always a part of me that thinks some people call an injury what another might call a minor niggle. Some people will sit it out for something another person would play through. But thats coming from someone who's only ever had a few serious injuries and hasn't missed a game through injury in the last 6 years.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Guys going in too young is a genuine point. Keith Wood is, I think, a year older than me - 36. There are hookers older than him still playing at the top level. At the last RWC, he'd have been the same age as Oom Os.

But his shoulders are utterly, utterly fucked, as a result of being put in carrying crash ball in the AIL, straight out of school, against full-grown guys who smashed into him. He'd dislocated both shoulders by the time he was 22. Net result, the guy who I consider to be the best hooker ever - because to shine in the Ireland team of the 90's, you had to be - ended his playing career in 2003 at the age of 30, 31.

And that ain't right.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Sully said:
What was his solution?

Cape Times qoute
White to follow Henry and Connolly
25 February 2007, 11:04

White happy with his Boks
By Peter Bills

Springbok coach Jake White has revealed that he plans to rotate selection for his teams right up to the start of the World Cup in September.

White says he is being guided by the professional advice of sports fitness conditioning experts like Prof Tim Noakes in mapping out the best possible plans for the Boks.

The policy means that, as players are rested, changes are likely for most of South Africa's internationals this season - the home ones against England and one against Samoa, as well as during the abbreviated Tri-Nations programme starting on June 16 against Australia in Cape Town.

White is wisely bowing to the realities of professional rugby.

New Zealand coach Graham Henry has insisted that most of his top players sit out the first half of the Super 14 season and Australian coach John Connolly left some experienced players like George Gregan at home during last November's British tour.

White says he has already seen the benefits of the policy of giving players a rest. But he admits it has meant he has had to endure some tough times and, in an interview on Saturday, he spoke frankly about what he calls "the hurt I went through last November".

He says: "It was tough last year because decisions had to be made that would have an impact in 2007. That didn't go down well in 2006, especially given that it was the 100th year of the Springboks.

"But there was always a much bigger picture - winning the World Cup - than doing well on an end-of-year tour.

"I have worked closely with Prof Noakes and his advice has been clear. These players must get periods where they stand back and rest. Without that, you cannot expect them to keep performing.

"So we went through some short-term pain for long-term gain. But I am happy with the way it has balanced out. (Captain) John Smit tells me that you can't believe how rejuvenated Percy Montgomery is after his break from the game. And that is good news for South Africa because a fit Percy Montgomery will remain crucial to me."

White talks frankly about his private thoughts as the pressure on him hit a peak during last November's tour.

"It hurt me what I went through, it hurt a lot, and I don't mind admitting that," he said.

"You never want to go through something like that and it affected my family and kids, too. But it made me dig in. I never considered giving up. Good people kept me going. I know the players looked up to me to be consistent and Ian McIntosh helped me a huge amount.

"All the same, I must admit I felt embarrassed about having to fly home in the middle of the tour and leave the young players back in the UK in an environment that wasn't great for them on their first tour.

"A lot of negativity was coming out at that time."

Yet, ironically, White now feels it was the right thing to explain first-hand his future plans to the South African Rugby board. "It is much easier when you can answer questions face to face," he said.

White remains strongly upbeat about South Africa's World Cup chances. "If everything goes according to plan, I really have the belief we can win the World Cup. That means getting all the players fit and together, and also having that necessary bit of luck. But my core belief is, we have the players to do the job."

This article was originally published on page 24 of The Sunday Independent on February 25, 2007
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Thomond78 said:
Guys going in too young is a genuine point. Keith Wood is, I think, a year older than me - 36. There are hookers older than him still playing at the top level. At the last RWC, he'd have been the same age as Oom Os.

But his shoulders are utterly, utterly fucked, as a result of being put in carrying crash ball in the AIL, straight out of school, against full-grown guys who smashed into him. He'd dislocated both shoulders by the time he was 22. Net result, the guy who I consider to be the best hooker ever - because to shine in the Ireland team of the 90's, you had to be - ended his playing career in 2003 at the age of 30, 31.

And that ain't right.

So you're pointing to responsible player management. Hard thing to do if a guy is a star. You want to play him week in week out.

Games like Rugby, League and NFL are going to have a high attrition rate. They are games made for Super Stars and TV rights. More TV time, more money, the more the stars need to be playing. I cannot see how we are ever going to get away from that, even if we lose a few good player to injury every season.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Blue, this is when he was nineteen. Nineteen, FFS. It was stupid, and generally acknowledged to be so at the time.

Contrast Keith Earls, for example, and how he's been minded to bring him through.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Cutter said:
They are also playing against bigger, fitter, faster and stronger blokes than play in your average subbies club Nick. The injuries at a professional level are more serious and more regular than at amateur level.

That was my point - these guys are told to take their human frames (large though they may be) and smash into other rather large blokes and do it in order to have contracts renewed or sponsorships signed to sustain their income. Us blokes playing Subbies only have the glory component and so don't go at it quite as hard :)
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Thomond78 said:
Blue, this is when he was nineteen. Nineteen, FFS. It was stupid, and generally acknowledged to be so at the time.

Contrast Keith Earls, for example, and how he's been minded to bring him through.

Sure. I agree. But I am saying that it sill always be very tempting to push a youngster if he is a star. It will take a lot of maturity from a club to hold back.
 
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brokendown gunfighter

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Cutter said:
The definition of injury is relevant. I can believe that after a test match 1 in 3-4 players would need treatment. That is 6-7 in a squad of 22. Since professionalism, players' weight and strength has increased but bodies dont necessarily become more resilient. I guess it makes sense that if the game is faster, players wont be able to be as bulky and therefore, presumably, lighter and not as strong, meaning the collisions will be less savage.

There are some players who would inflate these statistics, JW is obviously one, Rathbone, Heenan, MMM, Larkham, Lachlan Mackay, Cordingley...Conversely, George Smith and Gregan appear almost indestructible.

As a player who suffered a career ending knee injury and who, 8 years later, cant run because of the same injury, I have mixed feelings about my children (as yet unborn) playing rugby. Whilst the mateship and camaraderie are valuable, I imagine there are other sports where you can find the same things. It is a brutal sport and I'm glad these issues are being raised. Coming so soon after the Daniel James tragedy, this is perhaps timely.




my son suffered stress fractures of the spine &had to give up rugby at the age of 12.He subsequently had an op where a spring loaded screw like device was inserted into his back.After a very long & painful recoup.he was advised he could play rugby again(he was 17 at this stage).My wife was not at all keen on this.Instead my son took up downhill mountain bike racing.
he has attended the casualty dept of various hospitals 7 times in the past 2years
the moral of the story-----if your kid wants to play rugby let him/her do so,there are plenty of more dangerous activities around
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Maybe I am wrong but surely I think the top Aus players have much more of a rest compare to SA or NZ. We have the CC and no ways our top lot will keep playing a full season without breakdown at some stage. The same to the NH lot who I think play even longer then us. Talking to Jouba's dad and according to him Clemont or the top French clubs care much more about this. Having two top teams , one playing T14 & the other Heineken. Here Fester & Jake White drained him in one season and he had to struggle a couple of years to get back in top condition.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
You're right Oom - our blokes don't really have anything past the Trinations except the odd easy jog around in a club game. Nowhere near the attrition of the NZ and RSA national competitions, but then we don't have the depth that your countries need to sustain such a competition via bigger cash injections.
 
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