Rugby Championship 2025: Wallabies v Argentina

[TSR]

Maybe others don't have their 'Red tinted Lynagh hype' goggles on? I don't call out for negative coverage on the young man. I just don't see him as being as good as others on here do.

For the sake of everyone here I am happy to leave it at this - you have consistently called for Lynagh to receive more negative coverage - including that the Fox commentators need to be more critical of him. And it seems every thread you can’t wait to bag him.

For the record before the Lions series my position was Lynagh needed another 12 months

But I have consistently riled against comments suggesting he is being picked because of his name and, in particular, the regular comments from you that he should attract more negative criticism. Maybe too much - but if so I can live with it.

The same as I did with criticism I considered to be excessive against those other great Qlders Lolesio, Hanigan and others.

 

[Red Runner]

They did call him the “Hit Man Tackle God”… they just forgot to mention he tackles mostly with his forehead.

At least someone has said something- we shouldn’t give jerseys out because your dad was a good player. And honestly, my great-grandfather could out-sprint him—and he’s been retired from walking for years.

pathetic.

are you Mitchell Palm or John Mulvihill?

 

[Ignoto]

Lynagh has since passed HIA 2. If he clears HIA 3 tomorrow the impact won't be considered a concussion.

Makes you wonder if the mouth guard data can throw false positives depending on how the Force occurred ie during the tackle did Tom clench his jaw too hard or did the tackled player make contact with Toms cheek/mouth which due to the localisation exacerbated the Force.

 

[Famed_Star]

pathetic.

i agree. Being outrun by someone that old, who can’t walk is a sign of poor athleticism.

 

[cyclopath]

Just a reminder of the general rules around here. Criticism which is essentially personal abuse of players is not the go.

 

[TSR]

Makes you wonder if the mouth guard data can throw false positives depending on how the Force occurred ie during the tackle did Tom clench his jaw too hard or did the tackled player make contact with Toms cheek/mouth which due to the localisation exacerbated the Force.

Dare I say it - teething issues?

 

[cyclopath]

Makes you wonder if the mouth guard data can throw false positives depending on how the Force occurred ie during the tackle did Tom clench his jaw too hard or did the tackled player make contact with Toms cheek/mouth which due to the localisation exacerbated the Force.

I would assume they are calibrated to over-read force / impact rather than under-read it, so false positives will happen, which is obviously more desirable than false negatives.

 

[LeCheese]

Makes you wonder if the mouth guard data can throw false positives depending on how the Force occurred ie during the tackle did Tom clench his jaw too hard or did the tackled player make contact with Toms cheek/mouth which due to the localisation exacerbated the Force.

I believe they use accelerometers in the mouthguards, so it's unlikely this would be (substantially) impacted by bite force.

It's worth highlighting that the mouthguards are simply used as a flagging device for further testing - essentially trying to add some science to 'gee, that looked like a big knock'. If an impact is measured above the threshold, it doesn't necessarily mean a player is concussed - just that they have experienced an event that carries an increased risk of concussion.

 

[Major Tom]

I believe they use accelerometers in the mouthguards, so it's unlikely this would be (substantially) impacted by bite force.

It's worth highlighting that the mouthguards are simply used as a flagging device for further testing - essentially trying to add some science to 'gee, that looked like a big knock'. If an impact is measured above the threshold, it doesn't necessarily mean a player is concussed - just that they have experienced an event that carries an increased risk of concussion.

Yeah this sound ls right. Tizzano had a mouthguard ping in the lions game but passed his HIA. It’s just one factor

 

[Yoda]

For the sake of everyone here I am happy to leave it at this - you have consistently called for Lynagh to receive more negative coverage - including that the Fox commentators need to be more critical of him. And it seems every thread you can’t wait to bag him.

For the record before the Lions series my position was Lynagh needed another 12 months

But I have consistently riled against comments suggesting he is being picked because of his name and, in particular, the regular comments from you that he should attract more negative criticism. Maybe too much - but if so I can live with it.

The same as I did with criticism I considered to be excessive against those other great Qlders Lolesio, Hanigan and others.

I have always just tried to balance the Lynagh hype. He is not a bad rugby player, because anyone playing for their country is pretty bloody good. I never thought he was ready for starting Test rugby that's all, especially to be thrown in against the Lions, but that's not his fault as Schmidt picked him. In regard to Stan commentary needing to be more critical of him, it was more that Lolesio... and to a lesser extent Donaldson, were called out regularly for their mistakes. They just need to be fair across the board. I also hope Tom improves and doesn't get seriously hurt regarding his HIA's. If he is picked next Test, I sincerely hope he has a blinder. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Uh huh]

I have always just tried to balance the Lynagh hype. He is not a bad rugby player, because anyone playing for their country is pretty bloody good. I never thought he was ready for starting Test rugby that's all, especially to be thrown in against the Lions, but that's not his fault as Schmidt picked him. In regard to Stan commentary needing to be more critical of him, it was more that Lolesio... and to a lesser extent Donaldson, were called out regularly for their mistakes. They just need to be fair across the board. I also hope Tom improves and doesn't get seriously hurt regarding his HIA's. If he is picked next Test, I sincerely hope he has a blinder. I'll leave it at that.

How dare you???

 

[Yoda]

Captain Harry Wilson is proving a master stroke by Schmidt. He seems to play better too with the C next to his name. This team is definitely getting the punters back in to rugby. Keep it going boys!

 

[Strewthcobber]

Makes you wonder if the mouth guard data can throw false positives depending on how the Force occurred ie during the tackle did Tom clench his jaw too hard or did the tackled player make contact with Toms cheek/mouth which due to the localisation exacerbated the Force.

The mouthguards aren't a diagnosis tool for concussion. All they show is deceleration or acceleration.

Just another flag for the doctors like the video replay etc.

They also just set them at a threshold that pings once per match on average. The higher the impact the more likely the concussion, but it's nowhere near a linear thing

Many players wearing mouthguards ping and aren't concussed, and many players don't ping and later fail an HIA.

From WR (World Rugby) data, only 38% of concussed players wearing a mouthguard will ping

 

[Running_rugby_1954]

In regard to Stan commentary needing to be more critical of him, it was more that Lolesio... and to a lesser extent Donaldson, were called out regularly for their mistakes. They just need to be fair across the board.

The commentary team were really looking out for him yesterday — his missed tackle somehow got pinned on the ACT back rower by the Queenslander commentator.

 

[Upthemaroon!]

Captain Harry Wilson is proving a master stroke by Schmidt. He seems to play better too with the C next to his name. This team is definitely getting the punters back in to rugby. Keep it going boys!

The thing I love the most is how much his teammates seem to want to play hard for him. They all are just throwing themselves into tackles just because Wilson does it for 80 minutes.

 

[Major Tom]

I have always just tried to balance the Lynagh hype. He is not a bad rugby player, because anyone playing for their country is pretty bloody good. I never thought he was ready for starting Test rugby that's all, especially to be thrown in against the Lions, but that's not his fault as Schmidt picked him. In regard to Stan commentary needing to be more critical of him, it was more that Lolesio... and to a lesser extent Donaldson, were called out regularly for their mistakes. They just need to be fair across the board. I also hope Tom improves and doesn't get seriously hurt regarding his HIA's. If he is picked next Test, I sincerely hope he has a blinder. I'll leave it at that.

I’m trying to remember Stan’s commentary on Noah and I don’t recall them being overly negative on him in his 20+ test.

 

[BDA]

Just rewatched the game. Id say the biggest stand out was the performance of our 12/13. JAS and Ikitau were so dominant. Should put to bed suggestions that JAS shouldnt be playing centre IMO. He just needs seasoning

 

[Yoda]

Just rewatched the game. Id say the biggest stand out was the performance of our 12/13. JAS and Ikitau were so dominant. Should put to bed suggestions that JAS shouldnt be playing centre IMO. He just needs seasoning

I'd like them to get more ball out to Jorgo and Toole... they both have speed to burn.

 

[drewprint]

I think there are people here who are extra critical of Lynagh because they felt Lolesio was given a raw deal and are returning fire. Difference being in 30 Tests Lolesio was still quite flaky, whereas Lynagh is just kicking off his national career. To be clear here I like Lolesio and am not trying to boost Lynagh - based on yesterday I’d have JOC (James O'Connor) starting, with Edmed on the bench as Lynagh clearly needs more time. I think the issue for everyone here is really just that we haven’t had anyone really own that 10 jersey for yonks and it’s pretty frustrating.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

I'd like them to get more ball out to Jorgo and Toole... they both have speed to burn.

Schmidt game-style is very direct and simple. It is the main reason why Ikitau is essentially playing as a ninth forward at times, taking huge amounts of carries in general play. When we were inside the Arg 22, the Wobs would often have 11-12 players around the ball. The downside of playing this narrow & short-side dominant style means we really struggle to find jorgo and toole in open play. Not having a world-class distributor at 10 doesn't help either.

As long as we are winning I don't have a problem, but there were periods of possession in the first-half where I was screaming at the TV for the Wallabies to swing it and play some running rugby. Can't remember an actual backline move we have run off a set-piece this TRC (with considerable success).