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Ken Catchpole (46)
I thought it might have been called offside (for bumping into his own player) or obstruction (the player in the ruck obstructing the defender to make a stop)
Question about the Reds v Saders game were Murphy awarded a try by Saders half, Heinz. The ball was still in the ruck, he picked it up still inside the ruck confines & moved the ball a few inches onto the line.
Isn't this hands in the ruck? Sure halves are allowed to dig balls out of rucks with their hands but this is different in that he played at the ball within a ruck.
Couple of things:Question about the Reds v Saders game were Murphy awarded a try by Saders half, Heinz. The ball was still in the ruck, he picked it up still inside the ruck confines & moved the ball a few inches onto the line.
Isn't this hands in the ruck? Sure halves are allowed to dig balls out of rucks with their hands but this is different in that he played at the ball within a ruck.
This may have been brought up here earlier so pardon me if that is the case ….but…..
With the scrum being the showpiece for the forwards and a major distinction between the low rent NRL scrums, why has it become normal now for the half to feed it in to second row ? It gives the opposing hooker zero chance to strike for the ball. It’s like it is just a thing now that the refs don’t police it. I mean scrums have far too many ridiculous penalties for my liking but isn‘t it a ‘rule’ that the halfback is supposed to roll the ball into the scrum close to the centre? If this was properly policed the ref could just give a quick tap to the non offending team. Halves would be straightening up their put ins quicksmart after that!
From a pure law perspective, the halfback can offset themselves to their side of the tunnel to feed, rather than needing to feed down the middle (still needs to be straight however):This may have been brought up here earlier so pardon me if that is the case ….but…..
With the scrum being the showpiece for the forwards and a major distinction between the low rent NRL scrums, why has it become normal now for the half to feed it in to second row ? It gives the opposing hooker zero chance to strike for the ball. It’s like it is just a thing now that the refs don’t police it. I mean scrums have far too many ridiculous penalties for my liking but isn‘t it a ‘rule’ that the halfback is supposed to roll the ball into the scrum close to the centre?
And yeah, probably would have that effect. I think in the grand scheme of things it has a pretty minimal impact (most scrums are won through better scrummaging rather than the impact of a hook against the feed). Just need a Raynal-esque moment in a professional game to bring this to the forefront of peoples attention like rugby has done with timewasting.If this was properly policed the ref could just give a quick tap to the non offending team. Halves would be straightening up their put ins quicksmart after that!
Nothing annoys me more in the game than this.From a pure law perspective, the halfback can offset themselves to their side of the tunnel to feed, rather than needing to feed down the middle (still needs to be straight however):
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And yeah, probably would have that effect. I think in the grand scheme of things it has a pretty minimal impact (most scrums are won through better scrummaging rather than the impact of a hook against the feed). Just need a Raynal-esque moment in a professional game to bring this to the forefront of peoples attention like rugby has done with timewasting.
Yep, again, if a hooker baulks at the lineout - penalty.Nothing annoys me more in the game than this.
They feed it straight to the 8s feet, it is a joke. Yet a hooker gets a throw wrong on an uncontested line out and it’s a turn over.
What’s worse is when the ref allows the 9 to get away with shaping like he is going to feed the ball then not putting it in to get the early push from the opposing front row
Yeah it’s a bloody disgrace.Yep, again, if a hooker baulks at the lineout - penalty.
Probably another reason forwards don't like half backs
You can't allow it. If you allow the 9 to feed to the back of the scrum you may as well abandon scrums altogether.Yeah it’s a bloody disgrace.
I get feeding to the 8s feet speeds up the scrum and the game. But either change the rule to allow it or penalise it. I hate how they ignore it.
Look I do understand that view point. They can still hold the ball in and play for a penalty. But all 9s are blatantly feeding it to their side as it isYou can't allow it. If you allow the 9 to feed to the back of the scrum you may as well abandon scrums altogether.
A feed to the 8 may as well be a league scrum and that is just too wrong to contemplate.
That’s what’s killing rugby for me. The half has the ball at the lock‘s feet….and he waits for the ref to award a penalty, due to forward dominance or a collapse… BUT …. They have the ball!! Just have refs get them to play the fu.king thing and get on with it. They already have the advantage because they have the ball! Play it…. Those penalties are absolute bullish.t . Why? …because SOME refs say to half ‘play it‘ and SOME give a penalty… fix that …for Christ’s sake….Look I do understand that view point. They can still hold the ball in and play for a penalty. But all 9s are blatantly feeding it to their side as it is
Scrums have been a battle of power as opposed to a striking contest for many years now; even before the we lost the engagement hit. I feel the relevant question is whether there is reward in having a dominant scrum and the answer is unequivocally, YES. Even without a straight feed, teams need strong scrums with high quality front rowers. At the particpation level of the game, there is still a role for many players with a body shape that is not as valued in other sports. My argument is that it very much remains the "showpiece" for the forwards despite the issue with scrumfeeds.This may have been brought up here earlier so pardon me if that is the case ….but…..
With the scrum being the showpiece for the forwards and a major distinction between the low rent NRL scrums, why has it become normal now for the half to feed it in to second row ? It gives the opposing hooker zero chance to strike for the ball. It’s like it is just a thing now that the refs don’t police it. I mean scrums have far too many ridiculous penalties for my liking but isn‘t it a ‘rule’ that the halfback is supposed to roll the ball into the scrum close to the centre? If this was properly policed the ref could just give a quick tap to the non offending team. Halves would be straightening up their put ins quicksmart after that!