Re my comment about transparency -
Does anyone here know the full and proper process for the review of a referee's performance? Is every game watched? Super RUgby & Internationals? Is it reviewed on the night or view recorded broadcast?
No, we (as average punters) don't need to know what the outcome of each and every review is but it would be nice to know what the process is.
Does My Bray need to do a weekly report? Possibly not. But I did like the fact that he addressed some of the more controversial calls that have happened this season. IF this was to happen more frequently then I think that we would all learn a thing or two.
As I said in a previous post I spent a lot of time last club season talking to our local ref's. Generally asking them about rulings that they had made that I either did not agree with or did not understand, or in some cases, that I knew the answer to just wanted clarification. I learnt a lot and occasionally I think they did too because they got a different perspective. Some of them are happy to have the discussion once they realised that I wasn't just wanting to tell them they were wrong but wanted to learn.
Finally. I actually agree that the Ref needs to remain the 'sole judge of fact and of law' in a game. You need someone in charge. I also don't agree with people slaging off the ref because their side is losing or a decision goes the wrong way. It is a hard job. That is why we all don't do it.
I just think that education is the key. Of the referees, assistants, TMOs, players and above all US. If you see something that you don't agree with or don't understand, ask a question. Don't insist that the decision is wrong because as a spectator you can not see everything that is happening from the ideal angle. Neither can the ref.
Re my comment about transparency -
Does anyone here know the full and proper process for the review of a referee's performance? Is every game watched? Super RUgby & Internationals? Is it reviewed on the night or view recorded broadcast?
No, we (as average punters) don't need to know what the outcome of each and every review is but it would be nice to know what the process is. There is apparently a process because this year we have seen the consequences of what we can all generally agree were poor performances. In the past, pre Mr Bray, any consequences of poor performances either did not happen or when they occured the referees 'apparently' just 'retired'.
As much as the 'public hanging' is not desirable I believe that it needed to happen in these cases to restore some faith in the system. The fact that in the past these changes have not been made until the end of the season has also added to the apparent opaqueness of the process
I take on board your point about the review of the elite players. But I would also like to point out the number of discussions there have been on this site, let alone others, as to the performance of said players. Tom Carter, Pat McCabe, Will Genia, Quade Cooper anyone? With the players however it is (should be) pretty clear. You don't perform, in the eyes of the coach, you get dropped.
Does My Bray need to do a weekly report? Possibly not. But I did like the fact that he addressed some of the more controversial calls that have happened this season. IF this was to happen more frequently then I think that we would all learn a thing or two.
As I said in a previous post I spent a lot of time last club season talking to our local ref's. Generally asking them about rulings that they had made that I either did not agree with or did not understand, or in some cases, that I knew the answer to just wanted clarification. I learnt a lot and occasionally I think they did too because they got a different perspective. Some of them are happy to have the discussion once they realised that I wasn't just wanting to tell them they were wrong but wanted to learn.
Finally. I actually agree that the Ref needs to remain the 'sole judge of fact and of law' in a game. You need someone in charge. I also don't agree with people slaging off the ref because their side is losing or a decision goes the wrong way. It is a hard job. That is why we all don't do it.
I just think that education is the key. Of the referees, assistants, TMOs, players and above all US. If you see something that you don't agree with or don't understand, ask a question. Don't insist that the decision is wrong because as a spectator you can not see everything that is happening from the ideal angle. Neither can the ref.
The worst one of the weekend
what happened?
I thought the penalty in the Reds v Force game was harsh. My be my Reds bias though.
Was not even seen, player has been cited now, to think the Rebels should have had a man advantage for 70 minutes and only lost by 3 points.
The Ulster red card seems very harsh, I think the rules about 50/50 balls in the air needs to be changed. The player coming forward (defender) should have the right to play the ball first to avoid these mid air collisions where a player is soon going to get seriously hurt.
I was surprised with that one. We couldn't believe they were wasting so much time over it and then they sent him too the bin.Yeah I agree Cotrells yellow was very harsh
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But now I raise another question - How do you, the ref and/or the spectator, tell when player is making a genuine attempt to compete for the ball and colides with the legs of another player who is better in the air, or the player is basicly being a bastard and making things difficult for their oposition by taking out their legs in the guise of competing for the ball?
As a hypothetical - If I was competing against Izzy... at full streatch as far off the ground as I could manage I am likely to be just able to tip his ankles as he flies over my head to get the ball. Is it my fault and therefore should I be sanctioned just because I am not as good as getting off the ground?
Another question - If we are going to make all of these incidences yellow cards are we going to have yellow cards at every line out that a player is played in the air?