Reds 2020
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Desmond Connor (43)
It would be good to know the QLD and NSW breakdown.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I wondered that too, presumably the context of the article was something around the dominance of Qld/NSW in the Wallabies, and/or the lack of players from other origins. It would be pretty close to 50/50, I went through an exercise during Covid where I traced the Origin of the players of all 4 franchises (Force weren’t involved at the time). I’ve shut my computer for the night, will report the tally in the morning
Mr Wobbly
Alan Cameron (40)
Two years of high school on a rugby scholarship is barely long enough to start smelling like a Queenslander
dru
David Wilson (68)
Two years of high school on a rugby scholarship is barely long enough to start smelling like a Queenslander
You’re kidding surely. Spend too much time on holidays on the Gold Coast and you are in danger. Qld is a concept, and it’s viral.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
These were all the players listed on the franchises’ websites at the time, and Origin was defined as where they played their first rugby game aged 16+.
NSW - 67
Qld - 50
ACT - 14
O/S - 12
Vic - 11
WA - 10
I guess it's a pretty individual thing. Some guys might come for two years and consider themselves a local, others may have done all their high schooling here and still consider themselves from NSW. Like it's bee said before, being a Queenslander is a state of mind.
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Desmond Connor (43)
Good job. It would be great to know how these ‘origin’ players are distributed ??
molman
Jim Lenehan (48)
Highlights to me the value of having a sound rugby presence in all those states (and territories) to keep developing the talent coming out of those regions. Don't necessarily want players to always feel like they have to go to NSW/QLD (or O/S) to further their career. I know Twiggy has been going a little hard at the Rebels, but I can still see some value in keeping a team down there even if it is AFL heartland.
Anyway, circling back to my original comment as this is a Red discussion, it doesn't seem like you can say QLD breed more top talent that people are poaching. Looks like NSW has equal if not slightly more claim to that statement (though you likely can still slice the numbers one way or the other depending on your criteria).
For the health of the game you'd ideally want to see the numbers for the other states increasing over time.
molman
Jim Lenehan (48)
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
That’s a column in the spreadsheet so it won’t be hard to do that. Will report back
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I just realised my manual count had any error and there are 57 NSW origin players (not 67) contracted to Aussie super franchises v. Qld's 50.
For Qld Origin players:
Reds - 32
Brumbies - 9
Rebels - 5
Waratahs - 4
It won't surprise anyone but Qld's player retention is better than NSW's:
Waratahs - 28
Rebels - 15
Brumbies - 12
Reds - 2
molman
Jim Lenehan (48)
With another major franchise 3hrs down the road, it's a little easier for any NSW player to make that move.
Seems a fair few Qlder's over in the Force, be curious what that looks like in the numbers.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Stats don't seem to support that though, QLD and NSW have a similar number of players at the Brumbies, conversely it's the Rebels who have the highest number of NSW players outside of Sydney and where the NSW/QLD stats deviate from each other.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
If I get a chance over the weekend I’ll go through the Force roster and update the stats.
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
This is all very interesting but I'm not really sure it's that relevant to Reds 2020 anymore. Might be worth a separate thread about player distribution in Australia though
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How good are the Reds!?
drewprint
Dick Tooth (41)
I bought one a few months ago and it’s brilliant. I’m having a look now but yeah looks like they are all out of stock. I saw a fair few at the game on Friday night so they’re def popular - they need to do another run on them!