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Dick Tooth (41)
On the Rugby segment early this morning, on radio 4TAB, Brisbane, the comment was made that if Brad Thorn was to get the Reds coaching job, he would be the 9th coach in 16 years .... impressive!!
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On the Rugby segment early this morning, on radio 4TAB, Brisbane, the comment was made that if Brad Thorn was to get the Reds coaching job, he would be the 9th coach in 16 years .... impressive!!
John Connolly (1989–2000)
Mark McBain (2001–02) Andrew Slack (2003) Jeff Miller (2004–06) Eddie Jones (2007) Phil Mooney (2008–09) Ewen McKenzie (2010–13) Richard Graham (2014–16) Matt O'Connor & Nick Stiles (2016) Nick Stiles (2017)
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Peter Sullivan (51)
does anyone else find the position title "senior assistant coach" a little odd? He is the only assistant to start with and what does this mean Thorn will be? Junior head coach?
I am concerned that Mcgahan is more concerned with his title than the actual role.
Was't he meant to be director of coaching?
I am concerned that Mcgahan is more concerned with his title than the actual role.
Was't he meant to be director of coaching?
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Could this pattern not now be termed 'statistically significant'.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Meaning complete and utter incompetence from the QRU and Reds exec?
Can only be one answer. They got lucky with Linc.
I would guess that the job title means that their options are open when they hire another assistant to pay them substantially less because they're just an assistant coach.
I read he's used his time off to bulk up. The article said he was 118 kg.
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Ok I’m not a big fan of the change of coach. I don’t buy into the rubbish about it being Stiles’ 3rd year as a head coach. Taking over from someone else who was fired because the team was underperforming in a hiding to nothing.
My expectations for the Reds next year are average crowds of over 20K and/or topping the table and in the top six in the entire tournament.
If not Thorn should be out and the next guy should get the gig.
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My expectations for the Reds next year are average crowds of over 20K and/or topping the table and in the top six in the entire tournament.
If not Thorn should be out and the next guy should get the gig.
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I think we need to stick with someone and support him with descent assistants and staff.
Come on QRU have the guts to follow through. Find a good attack coach. Who was at the force? Alan Gafney?
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Sully I think you’ll find that Thorn is the second coming and will have us winning everything as he can relate to the boys and brings a culture of success. This is what I’m being sold so anything less means he has to get the ass. (This is thickly coated in sarcasm, why should Thorn get support when Stiles didn’t?)
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Tim Horan (67)
This excites me.
James has always been one of my favourite players, good drive and hits hard in the tackle. Also he seems to be quite clever from what I've heard. I hope he regains his pre injury form and returns to being a Wallaby. He's young for a prop and he's already on 86 caps, here's hoping he gets well into his century.
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Ted Fahey (11)
We all know about Thorns playing achievements in both codes, and it is simply astonishing. Not many people have done what he has done, and that doesn't happen by accident - especially considering how long he did it for aswell. He will instill extreme levels of expectations and initiative on our players and if they aren't up to it, they will surely be found out quickly and someone who wants it more will get the opportunity .
I'm not too worried about his 'lack of coaching experience'. He has played under some of the greatest and most successful coaches we will ever see - Wayne Bennett, Graham Henry, Robbie Deans and Steve Hansen at Canterbury. No doubt he would have picked up alot of things from these masterminds.
Hopefully he can instill belief and ownership on this talented list. I really do like his no-nonsense approach to things, I can't imagine hearing many excuses be made next year. Surely that is all that is needed with this bunch to turn the corner.
I'm not too worried about his 'lack of coaching experience'. He has played under some of the greatest and most successful coaches we will ever see - Wayne Bennett, Graham Henry, Robbie Deans and Steve Hansen at Canterbury. No doubt he would have picked up alot of things from these masterminds.
Hopefully he can instill belief and ownership on this talented list. I really do like his no-nonsense approach to things, I can't imagine hearing many excuses be made next year. Surely that is all that is needed with this bunch to turn the corner.
Yep. If Slipper can get back to his previous excellent form and consistency, it's a huge boost for Qld and Oz rugby. One of my favourite players.
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Mark Ella (57)
In context nobody had ever achieved what Martin Johnson did in English Rugby either and he was parachuted into a coaching position he did not have the experience for and it ended his career. There is a price to be paid in any field with talent being promoted too early and too green. There is rarely a second chance at the top levels.
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Ted Fahey (11)
Absolutely, agree with that point entirely. If Thorn was thrusted into the National job without any experience (like Johnson) I'd be a lot more concerned than I am now about the situation. Martin still won a Six Nations during his 3 years, but quit after a disappointing World Cup. I just hope this coach can last 3 years in the job!
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Tim Horan (67)
I was a young prop with a similar body shape to James and he became a bit of a playing idol for me, I like to think he showed that you didn't have to be a huge tattooed aggressive forward or an egotistical superstar back to be a champion player. He seems to have a natural humility which is refreshing.
This was cemented when I saw him in an interview once. He was asked if he had any tattoos and his response was something along the lines of "No, I don't think pasty white flabby guys look too good with tatts". A piece of advice I've always tried to follow aha
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Tony Shaw (54)
dru, I mostly agree your point but I think it was in 2010-12 a combination of luck and the way a cleansing (as it can be) crisis invokes an emergency (ie 'we were on the edge of bankruptcy') of great anxiety coupled with a willingness and a palpable need to urgently try a very different path than was habitual and embedded pre that crisis. So the reach out for solutions and change will often be more radical - and potentially successful - in these testing circumstances than when the archetypal unchallenged complacency and elitist arrogance that is the predominant DNA of the modern Australian rugby management classes pertains (as it typically has). The moment 'our crisis is over and we're fucking brilliant aren't we' mindset swirled back into the blood system of McCall and Carmichael (and thus on down from them to others) from July 2011 onwards, they were recidivists trapped again in arrogance and irrational over-confidence destined to repeat the historical QRU patterns of chronic mates' indulgence, the myth of 'good QLD rugby men' as the answer to all good questions, and all the associated behaviours of insularity and the pursuit of institutional self-centredness over true institutional excellence. 'When Greatness Calls, We Will Respond', they said to us all in 2012. At that very moment, embedded in that volatile hubris, the actual chance for genuine greatness ongoing went drifting skywards and vaporised into the starry Ballymore nights, not be seen again. And with that, as we look back, we quickly and so sadly came to understand once more what the QRU was really made of.
Wessels' coaching expertise added to a goodly influx of talent from the west should see our Mexican mates do very well in 2018. Settled Tahs should plod along thereabouts while the Brumbies can only go backwards with a brief to Lord Curly to school a squad for 2019. The Reds? Good luck. Could come first, could come last.........
dru
David Wilson (68)
Certainly after the success of 2011 the QRU was very quick to return to a target of fair-to-middling. That’s too kind, let’s be blunt and call it a somewhat warped perspective of erroneously presumed low-risk but actually a determined drive to the lowest common denominator.
The involvement (silent but influential in the background) of the QRU self supporting the ARU through the debacle off season of 2017 is a red flag for me. I cant see rugby administration in Australia improving until rugby administration improves in Qld. (Other states can be considered by the fans there.)
The most salient discussion in this lead-up to cut Stiles was words to the effect of, “no the players aren’t dissatisfied with Stiles, HQ though? That’s another matter!” The situation with Thorn as new HC, with the only key support a “senior” AC (was Thorn involved with that appointment?) - it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to address the underlying problems in Queensland rugby and at the Reds.
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