Reds 2018

[upthereds#!]

Assuming a team is still folding, the Reds would do well to target (depending on team) Hanson or Tessman as a replacement. (Both qlders) Experienced enough to support Ready and Mafi, good enough to play well at Super Rugby level, but not an expensive star that will keep the youngsters out.

 

[RugbyReg]

Reds have 3 hookers contracted for next year.

We don't need another one.

 

[upthereds#!]

So when this year potentially 4 hookers will become available, we ignore them all so that in later 2018, we only have Mafi and Ready? It's not great timing but it sure beats being understaffed and skilled for Hookers in 2018/19

 

[Braveheart81]

So when this year potentially 4 hookers will become available, we ignore them all so that in later 2018, we only have Mafi and Ready? It's not great timing but it sure beats being understaffed and skilled for Hookers in 2018/19

Well yes. You need three hookers in your squad and you have three signed for 2018.

Why would any of them join the Reds cheaply in 2018 when there is a reasonable chance they won't be in the matchday 23 or from the Reds perspective, keep one of their good young hookers out of the team that they are trying to develop?

 

[upthereds#!]

Well yes. You need three hookers in your squad and you have three signed for 2018.

Why would any of them join the Reds cheaply in 2018 when there is a reasonable chance they won't be in the matchday 23 or from the Reds perspective, keep one of their good young hookers out of the team that they are trying to develop?

They need to go somewhere or they leave Australia? Didn't say anything about cheaply, but if the remaining franchises can afford to carry a 4th hooker (which the Rebels and Force both already do), then surely this is a better outcome for Australian Rugby then all 4 of the Rebels Hookers or all 4 of the force hookers being forced out of super rugby?

If the Reds can afford to make their team stronger, and plan for life after Moore, then whilst the timing clearly isn't great for anybody, it's better then getting stuck mid 2018 with Moore gone, 2 green hookers, and a healthy chunk of Australia's hookers already overseas.

If we go with what you and Rugby Reg think then:

Reds say, we have Moore, Ready & Mafi we are all good, even though Moore is bailing asap, Ready is struggling and Mafi is super green.

The Brumbies use the same logic and say, we have Mannrea, Abel & (folau Fainga'a?), we are all good even though one is completely green and another who will be 37/38 yrs old.

The Tahs say, we have Latu, Fitz and Roach so we are good because these guys are ok players.

The Force (hypothetically), say, we have TPN, Tessman, Scoble & Rangi so we have all bases covered thanks.

What would you suggest happens to Hanson, Leafa, Siliva and Uelese? Let them leave and then have the Reds mid 2018 turn around and be like...shit....we need another hooker...and he has to be pretty good because Ready and Mafi aren't quite there yet?

 

[TSR]

But that's the challenge of managing a squad. If they carry 4 hookers, they'll have to run short in another position.

 

[Braveheart81]

Uelese will clearly be a signing priority for someone but out of the others I think Hanson is the only one with reasonable value but his asking price would be more than teams could afford for someone they don't plan to have in their matchday 23.



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[TOCC]

^^ if a team is cut the ARU have said they will fund the wages of those players already signed, it won't be shifted onto the new team.

If I were Tessman or Hanson and my team is cut, I'd probably join the Brumbies where i have more of a chance of starting.

On another note, Magnay looks set to sign with the Crusaders for next season because the ARU have decided they no longer like the concept of players earning more money playing in Japan during the offseason, Reds want to keep him, he wants to play at the he Reds in 2018, but ARU have taken a stance.

 

[upthereds#!]

^^ if a team is cut the ARU have said they will fund the wages of those players already signed, it won't be shifted onto the new team.

If I were Tessman or Hanson and my team is cut, I'd probably join the Brumbies where i have more of a chance of starting.

On another note, Magnay looks set to sign with the Crusaders for next season because the ARU have decided they no longer like the concept of players earning more money playing in Japan during the offseason, Reds want to keep him, he wants to play at the he Reds in 2018, but ARU have taken a stance.

I was thinking TPN would be perfect for the Brumbies if Force are cut, meaning Tessman still looking. Anywayy - not a happy idea for anyone.

Would be really dissapointing if that happened but Magnay knew what he was signing and what that would probably mean. Could have done a 1 season then returned to stay.

If you do 2 years in Japan starting this season, shouldn't you be technically able to start the Super Rugby season in 2019 especially now the Top League is finishing earlier? Same with Mcmahon, saying he won't be available to WC...why not? If they start in September this year, then they would finish in Feb I think in 2019, meaning they could sign with a Super Rugby team, be eligible for WC and play 2019 Super Rugby. I'm assuming you play the 17/18 season, are contracted through the off season and full pre season, then play the 18/19 season.

 

[upthereds#!]

Uelese will clearly be a signing priority for someone but out of the others I think Hanson is the only one with reasonable value but his asking price would be more than teams could afford for someone they don't plan to have in their matchday 23.



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Then again teams are leaving people off contract until they find out what's happening, might mean some existing hookers in teams get replaced if they haven't been renewed yet. Same with other positions. Eg Tahs have Lolohea and Taavao off contract but Gibson said they are looking for a prop space to fill, so I guess at least 1 of those guys isn't staying/isn't wanted.

 

[Sauron]

^^ if a team is cut the ARU have said they will fund the wages of those players already signed, it won't be shifted onto the new team.

If I were Tessman or Hanson and my team is cut, I'd probably join the Brumbies where i have more of a chance of starting.

On another note, Magnay looks set to sign with the Crusaders for next season because the ARU have decided they no longer like the concept of players earning more money playing in Japan during the offseason, Reds want to keep him, he wants to play at the he Reds in 2018, but ARU have taken a stance.

The Crusaders are amassing a good little collection of Aussies- hopefully they can all come home after being up-skilled.

 

[gel]

A good opportunity for Magnay.

I hope he makes the most of it.

 

[Brumby Runner]

^^ if a team is cut the ARU have said they will fund the wages of those players already signed, it won't be shifted onto the new team.

If I were Tessman or Hanson and my team is cut, I'd probably join the Brumbies where i have more of a chance of starting.

On another note, Magnay looks set to sign with the Crusaders for next season because the ARU have decided they no longer like the concept of players earning more money playing in Japan during the offseason, Reds want to keep him, he wants to play at the he Reds in 2018, but ARU have taken a stance.

I'd rather take either or both of Uelese and Siliva. There is also a good young hooker here in McInerney who should be on the books, but with Mann-Rea nearing the end of his career, and Able being anything but able at Super Rugby level, there will be opportunities for the younger players in the next year or two.

 

[LMU]

^^ if a team is cut the ARU have said they will fund the wages of those players already signed, it won't be shifted onto the new team.

If I were Tessman or Hanson and my team is cut, I'd probably join the Brumbies where i have more of a chance of starting.

On another note, Magnay looks set to sign with the Crusaders for next season because the ARU have decided they no longer like the concept of players earning more money playing in Japan during the offseason, Reds want to keep him, he wants to play at the he Reds in 2018, but ARU have taken a stance.

Something does not compute. Why would the ARU bring Magnay into the Wallabies training squad to reportedly show him he has a future in Aussie Rugby, then not allow him to come back to the Reds? Are these rules written down somewhere or is someone making it up as they go?

And, If the ARU are paying the wages of the cut players, there could be a windfall for the Super teams to snap them up for free.

 

[Braveheart81]

Are these rules written down somewhere or is someone making it up as they go?

The fact that it is in breach of the rules currently in place is reportedly the reason why they are resisting allowing him to sign an Australian Super Rugby contract next year if he leaves for Japan now.

 

[LMU]

The fact that it is in breach of the rules currently in place is reportedly the reason why they are resisting allowing him to sign an Australian Super Rugby contract next year if he leaves for Japan now.

Ok that rule makes sense. But what does not make any sense is for the ARU to promote a player to Wallaby Squad (some say prematurely) knowing they wont let them come back to AU rugby?

 

[Braveheart81]

Ok that rule makes sense. But what does not make any sense is for the ARU to promote a player to Wallaby Squad (some say prematurely) knowing they wont let them come back to AU rugby?

It's a little hard to work out what is going on there at this stage.

I think it will become clearer if he's dropped from the squad as expected when it is reduced and allowed to go overseas.

If he's kept it might suggest the ARU is trying to take a stand to prevent players from taking up offers overseas when they are still under contract (I disagree with that stance if that is what they are doing).

 

[Tomikin]

Magney should be allowed to go and come back. But heading over the ditch for a season may improve him. Not a bad move on his part

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[upthereds#!]

Something does not compute. Why would the ARU bring Magnay into the Wallabies training squad to reportedly show him he has a future in Aussie Rugby, then not allow him to come back to the Reds? Are these rules written down somewhere or is someone making it up as they go?

And, If the ARU are paying the wages of the cut players, there could be a windfall for the Super teams to snap them up for free.

I think they will pay for the players on ARU contracts (wallaby top ups), everyone else needs to be paid for by a willing franchise but to me, the problem is they still have to be under the salary cap. That means there will still be a lot of people not getting contracts next season. Ideally it is the players who aren't at super rugby level, but most likely it will be the very capable players that have to high of a price tag.

Can see us still have a glut of young and underperforming players getting cheap contracts whilst capable solid Super Rugby players have to go overseas.

 

[LMU]

I would like to see Magney at the Tahs. Still pretty raw but he is massive and can motor. Seems rubbish to force him away from Aussie rugby.