Reds 2017

[cyclopath]

^^^^^
The Cote truthing it.

 

[Gnostic]

I like reading these pages for the various 'snippets' of information that posters' post from 'sources'.



As was proved during the RG saga, most of what was speculated on from sources proved to be entirely accurate despite the under-current of QRU 'boosterism' that prevailed on these forum threads.



Out of that should have come a chance for a better 2017, but the QRU didn't learn the lessons and many of the same mistakes were/have been made.



There is something clearly wrong at Ballymore given the talent assembled and how collectively it has been taken backwards. You don't need 'sources' to see that.



Let's just hope that there is an honest assessment of performance happening at Board level and the Board and CEO have the courage to act on the outcomes of this assessment.



It happened with Eddie Jones and Phil Mooney however there seems to be far more leeway given in recent years.

As we have discussed Cote it needs a Board/CEO that is competent and willing to admit they were wrong and make the changes. They certainly didn't with RG and before that became very complacent with the success of 2011.

 

[Braveheart81]

There is something clearly wrong at Ballymore given the talent assembled and how collectively it has been taken backwards. You don't need 'sources' to see that.

Is a big part of the problem that in two of the most important positions you've had Frisby who is shockingly out of form and Cooper who is also well below his best.

That has then moved on to Tuttle who has improved things substantially at halfback.

With Cooper out suspended, McIntyre has been back at 10 and it would not be unfair to say that he is the weakest player in the starting XV and is playing perhaps the most important position in terms of the team's chances of success.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Interesting to compare the stats for Jake and QC (Quade Cooper) so far this year. You can probably draw whatever conclusions you want from them

Player - QC (Quade Cooper) v JMc
Minutes - 283 v 187

Kicks - 23 v 11
Kick metres - 773 v 443

Passes - 84 v 76
errors - 14 v 3

Carries - 26 v 8
metres - 149 v 37
turnovers (conceded) - 6 v 0

Tackles - 12 v 19
missed - 3 v 3

Red cards - 1 v 0

 

[biggsy]

Stiles still defending himself and the Reds, another post match interview where he has reminded the Media that if this was last year the Reds would have loss by a lot more. Complete ingnorance from him and These are still losses and still by a decent margin. Played one good half of Rugby this year...
Stile's honeymoon period is over., especially with the squad he has.
And Even though the benched sucked over the weekend there is massive issues in the back line. And extremely poor decision in rush defence. And McIntyre, bloke is lost on the field.

Start of the season I was so confident and up beat, 5 games in and I have been dropped crashing back to earth. Thanks sucks

 

[RugbyReg]

Stiles still defending himself and the Reds, another post match interview where he has reminded the Media that if this was last year the Reds would have loss by a lot more. Complete ingnorance from him and These are still losses and still by a decent margin. Played one good half of Rugby this year.
Stile's honeymoon period is over., especially with the squad he has.
And Even though the benched sucked over the weekend there is massive issues in the back line. And extremely poor decision in rush defence. And McIntyre, bloke is lost on the field.

Start of the season I was so confident and up beat, 5 games in and I have been dropped crashing back to earth. Thanks sucks

Biggsy, did you watch the media conference? All of it? Have another go.

The first thing he says is that the performance wasn't good enough and the result was unacceptable.

He tore into his bench, naming names.

As for the comment you refer to, He was specifically asked whether that was a better performance than last year's team (or words to that effect). You could see he was reluctant to answer but he did and agreed with the statement.

For what it's worth, I agree with it too. I want results without a doubt, but first a foremost I want a change in attitude and I think our attitude stank this last couple of years. I think, for the most part, it has been better this year.


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[RedsHappy]

Is a big part of the problem that in two of the most important positions you've had Frisby who is shockingly out of form and Cooper who is also well below his best.

That has then moved on to Tuttle who has improved things substantially at halfback.

With Cooper out suspended, McIntyre has been back at 10 and it would not be unfair to say that he is the weakest player in the starting XV and is playing perhaps the most important position in terms of the team's chances of success.

I am the very last person to be offering up soft apologies and excuses for HCs, but what is sometimes forgotten as we slowly recover from the trauma and damage of the recent Reds Lost Years Into the Darkness 2013-16 is that in this period the effective investment in proper skills development, modernised S&C, ensemble attack planning, innovative thinking about attack patterns, mental skills and game mindset development for all players (a vastly underrated area of skills training), and so on, all of it virtually ceased.

All that improved, the sole dimension of gain, over this period was the Reds' scrum, and the lineout to a lesser degree. Like a total jalopy of a car that possessed little but excellent windscreen wipers and that could not be trusted anywhere near pedestrians or steep cliffs.

The cataclysmic rendition of the above truth was at its apogee when the Reds played the Force at Suncorp last year - as well as an obviously awful team attitude, the team was virtually bereft of the skills needed to sustain the vaguest semblance of a basic attacking pattern of even the simplest kind, let alone forge ahead enough to win anything at all (except as a result of a very poor opposition plus multiple doses on that day of lady luck).

Stiles and his group of Reds coaches should soon enough be rigorously assessed on hard results and a good rate of sustained, not one-off, improvement.

However this group from late 2016 all inherited, bar the new recruits, a Reds squad team in utter mental, physical and playing capability disarray.

 

[The torpedo]

The cataclysmic rendition of the above truth was at its apogee when the Reds played the Force at Suncorp last year - as well as an obviously awful team attitude, the team was virtually bereft of the skills needed to sustain the vaguest semblance of a basic attacking pattern of even the simplest kind, let alone forge ahead enough to win anything at all (except as a result of a very poor opposition plus multiple doses on that day of lady luck).

The only good thing out of this games was that RG got sacked on the Monday after

 

[formerflanker]

Like a total jalopy of a car that possessed little but excellent windscreen wipers and that could not be trusted anywhere near pedestrians or steep cliffs.

RedsHappy wins the interweb for today.

 

[The torpedo]

Like a total jalopy of a car that possessed little but excellent windscreen wipers and that could not be trusted anywhere near pedestrians or steep cliffs.

I would take this proverbial shitbox of a car to a cliffside.........only to watch it 'accidentally' go over the side of the cliff

 

[chasmac]

I'm curious about all of the chat on here about attitude.
There are alot of senior players in this group. Is it them who have the attitude problem. Is there a chiefs and indians issue at the reds?
Does Stiles have the lockerroom?
Moore and Smith have both looked slow at times.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I don't think there is an "attitude" problem. Sometimes the right attitude is increased dramatically by some wins.

If we had won our first 3 games (doable) we probably wouldn't be talking about it.

(Suppose same comment can be pointed towards the Tahs)

IMO Stiles has the players

 

[chasmac]

I haven't seen enough of the games to be well informed. Are the older guys leading from the front on the field?

 

[neilc]

I haven't seen enough of the games to be well informed. Are the older guys leading from the front on the field?

Some of them are. Moore hasn't looked anything amazing, but Higginbotham has been a standout, Smith was very good against the Canes. We do have a lot of youth/inexperience and some of those players have been looking a lot better. K.Hunt has been very good, Nabolo, who I didn't rate at all last year, has looked very dangerous, and Duncan P has been excellent in my view - very impressed with him this year.

 

[The torpedo]

I don't think there is an "attitude" problem. Sometimes the right attitude is increased dramatically by some wins.

If we had won our first 3 games (doable) we probably wouldn't be talking about it.

(Suppose same comment can be pointed towards the Tahs)

IMO Stiles has the players

I think what chasmac meant when he was talking about attitude could be summarised by this post from gel:

I think they are fit this year.

The shorks game showed that.

They don't know how to win is the problem.


That'll take time.

 

[Braveheart81]

Nabolo

Is this a combination of Naholo, Nabuli and Nadolo? If so, that would be one awesome winger!

 

[neilc]

Is this a combination of Naholo, Nabuli and Nadolo? If so, that would be one awesome winger!

Oops, Nabuli I meant!

 

[Bobby Sands]

If you'd seen Mason actually play against men like he did last year when he played QPR - I highly doubt you would still hold that opinion.

McIntyre is so far from the required level, that I just can't understand why anyone rates him anywhere.

I am told though that Hamish Stewart is promising, so I look forward to seeing him play.

 

[TOCC]

Give Hamish Stewart more of a chance this weekend

 

[Bobby Sands]

Give Hamish Stewart more of a chance this weekend

He didn't get on. We were baying for him to come on.