Reds 2016
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John Solomon (38)
What if all the other surgeons had a mortality of 90% and the mortality without surgery was 100%. Then you'd have no choice but to take your chances.
Do we know for sure there were other suitable applications?
The Reds pr team are hardly going to say we searched far and wide but no-one was stupid enough to show a serious interest in the role so we got stuck with what we've got for another year. Even if that was the truth they'd put a positive spin on it.
T
Train Without a Station
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But Scoey in how many industries is success so easily measured?
As per the example about a surgeon, I don't doubt that there in fact is surgeons that have a 75% mortality rate and in fact are very well regarded, as being a successful surgeon is not merely measured in that as it does not consider the risk of surgery.
I think you will find there are plenty of people around in good professional positions that aren't that good at what they do and maintain their job. From my experience half of Lend Lease's construction management department would be in that boat n my view.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
I don't do much facebook. Has there been any positive posts?
Were they from genuine fans?
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Mark Ella (57)
Depends on the business. I have run my own small businesses for about 10 years now. Gross & Net Profit, Customer Retention, Customer Referals. These are the basics for me and I'm still in business.
Before that in another life there were management criteria which were also fairly straight forward and measurable.
I just can't accept that somebody can fail to achieve over a number of years at have closely correlating results from a previous appointment and still be regarded as a top candidate for an elite position. I have no doubt that RG had/has potential to be a good coach, but to try and achieve that potential at the elite level is just a big step too far IMO and the results confirm that.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
That's rubbing salt into the wound.
I can't believe they reappointed Graham. I've gone for the Reds a great many years now, but as an old Canberra boy I find myself really considering whether I revert back to my old side. Either that, or I could put the Rebels merchandise Rabo sent me to good use!
Disgraceful decision by the Board.
Ummm, no. If you do, you're reanimating corpses just to kill them twice. Very, very few procedures have mortality rates anywhere near that, as it is way beyond the point of making any sense to do it. Unless you're a battlefield surgeon.
T
Train Without a Station
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So there's no specialities where surgical procedures are undertaken on patients who have a very bleak outlook without surgery?
T
Train Without a Station
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Gnostic you're missing the whole point though. The comment is that how could anybody in any other industry maintain their job when performing so poorly. My point is that most industries do not have such easily definable measurements of success so plenty of poor professionals, or boat anchors as I like to call them, progress.
You may run a smaller business, so I don't doubt that there's less room to hide, but the larger the organisation, the more boat anchors that seem to be dragged along with the success of the business.
It's pointless comparing this to a standard business position, because it's so very different.
You may run a smaller business, so I don't doubt that there's less room to hide, but the larger the organisation, the more boat anchors that seem to be dragged along with the success of the business.
It's pointless comparing this to a standard business position, because it's so very different.
Tangawizi
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Not many positive posts and they were more to congratulate Dan Hebert than anything to do with Graham
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They would be very, very rarely performed, so data would be statistically useless. Few health organisations would countenance procedures that high risk. You have to realise that 5% is a very high mortality rate. High mortality (not morbidity - i.e. side-effects) rates usually relate to the high-risk co-morbidities of the patient (cardiovascular, respiratory, multi-organ failure etc...) rather than the procedure itself, so it's really only the battlefield where such things happen.
And this is OT so I'll probably leave it there.
PLUS - I'm boring myself!
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Even battlefield surgeons have a better success rate than 25% (75% mortality)
In a mass casualty/battlefield scenario, the surgeons will attend to those with the greatest possibility of recovery requiring the least surgical/medical intervention first, in accordance with a robust triage assessment process.
The Golden Hour rule of thumb suggests that the recovery rates of 80% can be achieved if the injured can be evacuated to a surgical theatre within 60 minutes of sustaining traumatic injury (battlefield or otherwise). Even more important is preventing excessive blood loss within the first 10 minutes. It may not be pretty but the patient has statistically significant better chance of survival.
In a mass casualty/battlefield scenario, the surgeons will attend to those with the greatest possibility of recovery requiring the least surgical/medical intervention first, in accordance with a robust triage assessment process.
The Golden Hour rule of thumb suggests that the recovery rates of 80% can be achieved if the injured can be evacuated to a surgical theatre within 60 minutes of sustaining traumatic injury (battlefield or otherwise). Even more important is preventing excessive blood loss within the first 10 minutes. It may not be pretty but the patient has statistically significant better chance of survival.
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Tony Shaw (54)
I have visions of Carmichael, sitting anxiously at home, triple scotch in hand, faced by a small enamelled statue of RG and another of Rod McCall, and barking into his mobile phone - Facebook post by Facebook post as each rolls in - orders to his IT department: 'delete that outrageous slur', 'expunge that slanderous accusation', 'block that trouble maker', 'cull that appalling slight', 'never let that arsehole post again'....
Meanwhile, he's set a target for 106,500 Reds Members for 2018.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
I am known for my ability to do that to people.
Some would say that only Keith Maniac from Guatemala is better than me.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Almost feeling for the poor bugger. Is it his or the board's fault that he is being held up for public ridicule?
I've just added my disappointment to the 1082 comments on Facebook. Feel free to join me Reds fan or not.
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