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Jim Clark (26)
While I agree with that, it's important to remember that they may have also been bound by contract conditions. Frequently, sporting contracts (not sure about Australian Rugby - but certainly others) have specific criteria and punishments set out for offences like "Bringing disrepute" or "Conduct unbecoming".
While I am not sure, I would not be surprised if Hunt's contract stipulates a maximum of 30k fine and 6 weeks suspension for a first breech. If that's the case, they obviously gave the maximum allowable penalty without tearing up the contract and paying him out.
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Simon Poidevin (60)
ARU illicit drugs policy is available online. It was followed in Hunts case, exactly as it should be.
Fine of 5% of annual renumeration and 2 months period of ineligibility.
Having said that, I believe the policy is currently being reviewed.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
http://m.foxsports.com.au/rugby/sup...il-end-of-season/story-e6frf4qu-1227288446712
Richard Graham's here to stay allegedly. So it might be all the fans who piss off elsewhere then if they don't win on Friday
Richard Graham's here to stay allegedly. So it might be all the fans who piss off elsewhere then if they don't win on Friday
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David Codey (61)
Nope,Reds got this,Bonus point win!
Carmichael asks us not to judge on five games but we're not. We're judging on a season and five games
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Is the date on Jim Tucker's article relevant?
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
I don't respect them at all. It's a business decision.
Richard has to be sacked. The only logical reason it hasn't happened already is that the Reds haven't found someone to fill in immediately.
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
Nope.
I have never commented on what they should be saying and has nothing at all to do with my post.
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It's very easy to be critical as outsiders but I think as fans we can get swallowed up in what we perceive should happen and what are realistic expectations..
I think RG should be sacked, are there any available alternatives available right now? In a RWC year I don't expect so.. So what are the QRU to do? pull down the cone of silence and say nothing or pander to the media and tell them they are backing RG 100%.
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Rocky Elsom (76)
There are 4 steps to be followed in the official process to sack a coach, and even at step 4 (Announcing the Sacking) the Board simply announces that by mutual agreement Coach will no longer be coaching and that the Board wish him every success with his future endeavours.
By throwing their full support behind him, they have reached Step 3 of the process. The hunt for a replacement has just been expedited.
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
Just re-reading my post and there is a possibility of some ambiguity. To clarify my point:
I don’t have much respect for an organisation that fails in its appointment process – I think there are obvious question marks surrounding RG’s appointment and his record at the Force was a good indicator that he was not up to the level of being a head coach.
I don’t have any respect for an organisation that fails to correct itself when confronted with the mistake – I think the results (not just the win/loss ratio btw) of last season were clear and obvious that RG was not up to the level of being a head coach and they should have acted at the end of last season.
I don’t have much respect for an organisation that believes it has to honour commitments to one of its own staff whilst completely ignoring the commitments it has to rugby in this state and country (in a world cup year no less) – that needs no explanation.
I don’t have any respect for an organisation that believes in honouring its commitments to one of its own staff whilst completely ignoring the commitments it has to those who pay to fund their lifestyle – they are ignoring their fans.
A mistake has been made and there has been ample opportunity thus far to correct that mistake, and the organisation has not been up to the task of correcting that mistake – not a lot to respect in that.
Some obviously respect the reds for honouring their commitments to Richard Graham, and I am not going to say they are wrong for feeling that way.
I just don’t feel the same way and thus why I posted a contrary position, sorry.
*edit* I am making no comment about what the reds are saying to the press.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
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Tony Shaw (54)
I agree. But, re Carmichael's latest comment, some here may recall that only recently Rod McCall the QRU Chairman told Wayne Smith in an article that in fact RG would be assessed on the next 5 or so games (starting with the Lions match) as they'd be the ones where the many injured players would return.
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Tony Shaw (54)
There are some quite extraordinary quotes from the Reds' CEO in that article.
There's this (my emphasis):
And this:
To me, all this points to a state of institutionalised self-protective, non-mistake-admitting, self-delusion within the Reds establishment. The very legitimate interests of the Reds fans and fee-paying members seem nowhere to be relevant where once, in 2010-11, all we heard about from Link et al was how critical was the engagement with and enjoyment of the Reds fans and members and how vital it was to honour - in the manner of the Reds' style of play and success in w-l terms - these stakeholders' aspirations for the team. A very notable shift in language and priorities has taken place.
And it would appear that the QRU is preparing a new theory of hope to sell to Reds members at renewal time later this year: namely '.....we are going to substantially replenish the high-performance coaching and skills development support around the Reds coaching group, watch this space....'.
This type of approach mirrors 2014's use of leaks re potential star recruits as the basis of re-building fans' confidence after a terrible 2014 season. Then, the Reds establishment decided that coaching was not the issue at all, rather what required addressing were 'squad deficiencies and a required squad replenishment that had not been dealt with soon enough after our 2011 victory'.
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Mark Ella (57)
I have heard from a pretty good source that a number of players are holding off signings / negotiations until the future of RG is decided. Thats a bit of a worry
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Darby Loudon (17)
If you dine off your successes you must acknowledge your failures.
Carmichael took us from the bottom to the top, but he has also taken us from the top to the bottom.
Some of the board have just been there for the downfall.
The crowd last weekend was reminiscent of around 2007, except with probably a sense of sadness knowing what is possible now. I imagine 90+% of those who turned up were members who had already sunk their money.
This weeks XV is arguably the best team on paper we have put out since 2001. Far superior to any side under Link (on paper). What happens if we lose?
Carmichael took us from the bottom to the top, but he has also taken us from the top to the bottom.
Some of the board have just been there for the downfall.
The crowd last weekend was reminiscent of around 2007, except with probably a sense of sadness knowing what is possible now. I imagine 90+% of those who turned up were members who had already sunk their money.
This weeks XV is arguably the best team on paper we have put out since 2001. Far superior to any side under Link (on paper). What happens if we lose?
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