Reds 2015

[Intruder]

No Jack Payne in the dev squad?

They need a THP, particularly as Holmes may not make the start of the tournament. Faagase can play both sides, Paraka is a LHP. So, Slipper, Daley, Paraka LHPs and Holmes, Faagase THPs with maybe Holmes injured.

Talaki will be there I think, maybe as the last pro contact unless they find another one from elsewhere - but note that Thomson is their marquee player, so the THP would either have to be Australian qualified, or not played Test rugby to be the development player.

29 spots are currently filled.

Jack Payne will fill a spot in the Saracens academy since the Reds did not table an offer.
Talakai would be a great pick up for QLD, the kid is a very good player and has put in very solid performances in the tight for BNE. He has been groomed under Sekope Kepu and Paddy Ryan in the NSW program now and IMO he could be a long term prospect for Greg Holmes.

 

[FilthRugby]

Losing Jonah Placid now Jack Payne - what a waste.

He is nearly 2 metres tall and 116kgs. I'm not saying this because he plays for Brothers, but why would the QRU get rid of a player who is of similar size to Horwill and Simmons and possesses the same attributes? (good lineout jumper, etc.) It just lacks common sense and forward thinking.

Reg has mentioned it a few times and it is very pertinent, its way easier to turn a big man into a good rugby player (forwards) as oppose to a medium size man. Payne is a giant, very technically talented and hardworking.

Its just baffles me, honestly. I was probably more pissed off than Easts supporters when Placid left for Melbourne. Then we lost Harris - an extremely underrated player, now Payne if what you say is true, Intruder.

Furthermore, they offer contract to kids who have just left school!?! Who have no experience, but not to someone who is well regarded talent wise in the rugby community. I'm very please with the high profile signings by Reds HQ in 2015, but this is a backwards step.

 

[RugbyReg]

Don't blame the reds for this one. They can't sign everyone. The QRU obviously didn't get rid of him. He's made the decision to leave himself.

I'd like to understand his decision more but it frustrates me when a young player runs away in such a dramatic way. Wow. He's still young. It's as if he felt he was entitled to a pro contract and entitlement is the biggest problem with this generation. Can't get a contract here? Don't bother sitting around and working hard for it just shop yourself around and find it somewhere else.

Now someone will bring up the whole professional rugby thing and "you'd do the same if you didn't get a job - go where the opportunities are". I maintain this is different. Young Jack surely didn't wake every morning with dreams of playing for Sarries. No. It would have been dreams of playing for qld or he wallabies.

Lots of assumptions here on my behalf but on the back of your assumption that the Reds "got rid of him".

Not that clear cut.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Name Position School or Club Major achievement
<snip>
Joey Fittock Winger The Southport School Australian Schoolboys 2014
<snip>
Jake McIntyre Flyhalf Sunnybank/Brisbane City Australian Under 20s 2014
<snip>

NSW born and bred, McIntyre and Fittock are victims of The Reds Kidnap Squad.
Might as well add Reece Hewat to that list after he leaves school at the end of 2015.

 

[Intruder]

Blake Enever could be another one lost to the system as it looks like he will be overlooked

 

[Gillys_ghost]

Blake Enever could be another one lost to the system as it looks like he will be overlooked

I think hes signed to the brumbies now.

 

[Scrubber2050]

The Reds cannot keep everyone produced.

The boys want to be professional rugby players for a variety of reasons.

Their preference , I would say, is to play for the Reds. Then elsewhere.

Sometimes the Reds just fuck up because the easy bit is "identifying" a young bloke with talent.

The hard skill is identifying those young blokes who are going to make it at Super level and keeping them. Sometimes those talented kids just don't really have those extra things needed to be a Supper player.

Case in point: young kid (15) from South Australia (UJ ???), identified by some fuckwit from ARU, given some type of contract, schloarship to Southport School, played about 1 or 2 First XV matches placed in Academy blah blah. - was supposed to be the next best thing (at 10 I think) - where the fuck is he now in Australian Rigby.

I know I lost track of the chap - he's fucking probably playing for a champion team somewhere ?????????????

 

[RugbyReg]

He's in France. Not sure how he's doing.

 

[Tomikin]

Look Queensland and NSW create great players.. Your gonna lose some. If you scout well then it won't be a problem

 

[Intruder]

Look Queensland and NSW create great players.. Your gonna lose some. If you scout well then it won't be a problem

And the rejected ones head to ACT/Melb with a chip on their shoulders and turn into great prospects. Sio, To'omua, Kuridrani, Debrezieni, English etc

 

[Gillys_ghost]

Bloody hell what a big day of footy we've got today. Japan v Maori All Blacks to see how Hendrik Tui Fairs, then drive to ballymore to see Brisbane City win it, Then staying up to the wee hours to watch The dynamic Duos return to test footy against the Baa-Baas, Then finishing off with some all blacks with my breakfast.

 

[Tomikin]

And the rejected ones head to ACT/Melb with a chip on their shoulders and turn into great prospects. Sio, To'omua, Kuridrani, Debrezieni, English etc

Theirs no chip just opportunity too play for the wallabies.. Unlike Reds players

 

[Sully]

It's Wallaby season! Get over your petty club allegiances.

 

[hammertimethere]

Jack Payne is a tight forward we should have hung onto at the expense of some schoolboy winger in the EDS. Simple as that

 

[FilthRugby]

I understand what you're saying Reg. I'm definitely (unintentionally) biased as he is from Crosby Park.

 

[Ash]

Enever is a shame, but he got a better offer at the Brumbies. Reds had no room or need for a 5th lock in their squad, and when a spot at the Brumbies is offered Enever took it, well done to him.

The problem for the Reds with locks is that O'Donoghue is just about done, and Horwill may be lost. They may need two new locks for 2015, so the loss of Enever (unavoidable) and Jack Payne (unknown why) is unfortunate.

The positive has been McDuling in the NRC, really hope he carries that form into Super Rugby.

 

[qwerty51]

Hendrik Tui playing #6 for Japan in 25 mins.

 

[Wilson]

Bloody hell what a big day of footy we've got today. Japan v Maori All Blacks to see how Hendrik Tui Fairs, then drive to ballymore to see Brisbane City win it, Then staying up to the wee hours to watch The dynamic Duos return to test footy against the Baa-Baas, Then finishing off with some all blacks with my breakfast.

Where/when is this game being broadcast?

 

[Gillys_ghost]

Where/when is this game being broadcast?

Unfortunately ive just been searching for the past hour and its only being streamed on membership based websites that probably isnt trustworthy or even worth the cost, so im just going to have to use the ultimate rugby app for updates

 

[liquor box]

Part of the benefit of getting great crowds for a few years now. Reds can afford to sign up a lot of the promising youngsters much earlier than they ever could before

That is great news, but does this mean we could also afford to sign some tight head props?

Young kids for the future is great but we have needs today as well