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Rebels 2014

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Peter Johnson (47)
Pyle plays a very similar game to Neville in fairness, they both play pretty loose. Higgers tightened up significiantly this year. I'm sure a lot of that is coaching as well. Players don't just decide to go hang out in the wider channels because they feel like it, well, most of the time anyway. Jones and Colby in the pack gives you the ability to have a couple of guys running wider anyway. Unless Neville has an immense pre-season, Timani is pretty clearly the better player at the momemtn.


Timani is a good pickup regardless of Neville because you need real depth to win the super rugby.

4.Timani
5. Pyle
6. Jones
7. Fainga'a
8. Higgers

With Neville, saffy/fugi and Timani jr on the bench.

Add in the new props and the rebels pack looks very decent.

Shame about the 10/12 situation.
 

Dumbledore

Dick Tooth (41)
Timani is a good pickup regardless of Neville because you need real depth to win the super rugby.

4.Timani
5. Pyle
6. Jones
7. Fainga'a
8. Higgers

With Neville, saffy/fugi and Timani jr on the bench.

Add in the new props and the rebels pack looks very decent.

Shame about the 10/12 situation.
Exactly. It suddenly starts to look like a real strength.

I actually quite like Hegarty. We're so used to seeing players with these incredible skills that it's easy to overlook someone like him. He's not incredible by any means, but he'll do a job. We absolutely need someone else, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's a disaster if he's the starting flyhalf.

12 I think can be solved by giving Inman a run there. If they aren't willing to try that, then we're going to be stuck with Sidey again and that means a leaky defence and a stifled attack.
 

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
10 and 12 is no different to lock in that you need depth though. Rebels have 4 good locks, but without 2 decent quality 10's and 2 decent quality 12's they are set for mediocrity IMO.

I think cordingly has done a good job recruiting for the short term, but long term I think the rebels need to invest a bit more and widen the search.

Case in point: I was watching the qld schools rugby league final the other day between Keebra Park and St Brendans. St Brendans had a brilliant playmaker (whose name escapes me at the moment, annoyingly); the type of bloke the rebels should be going after as a long term investment.

I can't speak for what happens in NSW, but all the players in the QLD GPS and AIC system grow up watching the reds and the reds get them into the system at an increasingly young age. Its how they can afford to keep guys like Browning, Gill, and CFS around on less money than the rebels are offering (and the rebels are offering).

I think if the Rebels intend to become contenders and stay ahead of the curve recruitment wise they need to start connecting with the big league schools in QLD and NSW that the QRU/NSWRU seem to shun.
 
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Chris McKivat (8)
I heard a rumour that Horwitz is going to the Rebels. Can anyone confirm?


I heard he was pretty much guaranteed an EPS spot at the Tahs. Perhaps the Rebels have given him a full contract. Would be a good pick up for the Rebels and will also be good for Australian Rugby. Its probably the right move for him, he won't get a look in at the Tahs in the next few years with Beale, Foley and Vola Vola the more senior playmakers.
 

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Larry Dwyer (12)
I heard he was pretty much guaranteed an EPS spot at the Tahs. Perhaps the Rebels have given him a full contract. Would be a good pick up for the Rebels and will also be good for Australian Rugby. Its probably the right move for him, he won't get a look in at the Tahs in the next few years with Beale, Foley and Vola Vola the more senior playmakers.


Full contract or not, you would think the Rebels would be an attractive proposition for any aspiring fly-half at the moment. They're pretty much guaranteed to get some minutes instead of waiting for an injury crisis at another s15 team.
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
Pyle plays a very similar game to Neville in fairness, they both play pretty loose. Higgers tightened up significiantly this year. I'm sure a lot of that is coaching as well. Players don't just decide to go hang out in the wider channels because they feel like it, well, most of the time anyway. Jones and Colby in the pack gives you the ability to have a couple of guys running wider anyway. Unless Neville has an immense pre-season, Timani is pretty clearly the better player at the momemtn.


I've certainly never been a part of "look at that lazy number 8 swanning on the wing" fraternity. It's an annoying opinion that ignores modern rugby trends completely.

Also, I agree it does come down to coaching but that doesn't mean that certain players aren't inclined to play a certain way or have a certain skillset.

We're basically developing a roster where none of our forwards are good at running the 1st or 2nd channel next to the ruck, particularly with Ged gone.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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He's still only 18.

I'm certainly hoping that he decides another year living at home and an EPS contract at the Tahs next season is the best way for him to go.
 

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Peter Johnson (47)
I've certainly never been a part of "look at that lazy number 8 swanning on the wing" fraternity. It's an annoying opinion that ignores modern rugby trends completely.

Also, I agree it does come down to coaching but that doesn't mean that certain players aren't inclined to play a certain way or have a certain skillset.

We're basically developing a roster where none of our forwards are good at running the 1st or 2nd channel next to the ruck, particularly with Ged gone.


Fainga'a and Smith both play pretty tight.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
Got to say that with the backrow of:

6. Jones
7. Fainga'a
8. Higginbotham (2013 edition)

along with 2 of Neville, L. Timani, Fuglistaller & Reid on the bench, I feel we can afford a bit of wide running in the locks.
 

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
Got to say that with the backrow of:

6. Jones
7. Fainga'a
8. Higginbotham (2013 edition)

along with 2 of Neville, L. Timani, Fuglistaller & Reid on the bench, I feel we can afford a bit of wide running in the locks.


I don't know. What I've seen of Reid I reckon Fainga'a has a battle on his hands in that respect.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Yeah, Fainga'a would seem the better 7 at this stage.

Reid looks like another tugboat, though. He's listed at 107 kg by the Rebels but 7kg of that is the white-man dreads.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
He's still only 18.

I'm certainly hoping that he decides another year living at home and an EPS contract at the Tahs next season is the best way for him to go.


Like was just not enough. He is only 18 and needs a year in the EPS at the Tahs to get the coaching he needs to step up to the next level. Getting park time at a franchise with no decent 10's is not the way to start a career. He'll end up either with terrible habits learnt in a bad environment (think Totality Tony) or he'll get really smashed by some good sevens before he has developed enough to cope. Even Kurtley was eased into 10 by Link when he first came on the scene and gradually built up to a starting role.
 
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