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Rebels 2013

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KevinO

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Geoff Shaw (53)
Bowside said:
Genia has shone behind far worse packs, even burgess (who could only pass one way) still made a good fist of it.
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Which packs did Genia play that where far worse?

Phipps is playing behind one of the weakest packs Australia has had, and in a team with no stand out leader. Yes, Sharpie is there but we have all seen his interviews after match's. A man of few words and he is only the 4th choice leader this season, Phipps is in the deep end of the pool trying to swim, but no body wants to start a test career this way. Coming into a side that is missing at least 5 of the starting line up to injury.

Who is actually left in the side from the Leadership group? Who is his helping him at the moment, no one who can really pull him aside at training and give him advice on his role.
 
Hawko

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
en_force_er said:
He has been inconsistent for the Wallabies, good sometimes but often not.

Here's the thing though, why would we want to not start a bloke who's gotten a whole seasons of international experience? I've never seen a decent player like Phipps get more hatred from his own fans.

The bloke is miles ahead of anyone else we (as in the Rebs) have got and he is the 3rd best Australian scrummie playing in Australia right now. Even counting those playing overseas he's 4th best.

That puts him at starting super rugby standard surely?
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Wish what you said was true, but for me Stirzacker is miles ahead of him and Kingi would be if he could just stay away from the injury box. My ranking of scrum halves in Australia would have about 10 others in front of him. I reckon the order of merit looks something like this:
  1. Genia
  2. White
  3. Sheehan
  4. Lucas, McKibben, Stirzacker, Prior, Hart, Kingi
  5. Frisby, Swanepoel, Snowden
  6. Phipps
Not for the first time Mr Deans and I agree to disagree on selections.
 
James Buchanan

James Buchanan

Trevor Allan (34)
When it comes down to it, the coaches get to see all of them at training and pick the one who is performing the best.

At the moment that appears to be Phipps, no matter what people more removed from the selection process may or may not think.
 
en_force_er

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
I think anybody would be laughed out of a room of Super Rugby/International level coaches if they suggested that due to poor TEST form a player should be replaced with others that have good CLUB form.

We always talk about the need for a true 3rd tier here and you're basically saying that a player who has performed well in club (which is considered miles behind super rugby) should be picked ahead of a player who hasn't shown good test form?

Now we all know Phipps had a shitty early part of the super rugby season (though he got better towards the end) and a poor game against France, but let's remember the latter portion of his Super rugby season or his performances against Argentina twice and the ABs once which were all better proof of his talents than how Strizaker and Kingi player in the respective Shute Shield and Hospital Cup Grand Finals.
 
en_force_er

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Perhaps another angle to look at it is to look at Phipps as a Rebels investment.

Rightfully of wrongfully (most would say wrongfully and I would agree) the Rebels put basically ALL their gametime over a two year period into Phipps, rather than splitting it evenishly across our 3 talented prospects.

Phipps is now playing for the Wallabies, an experience that will be invaluable when he comes back to Super rugby. Thus it looks like our investment is maturing nicely.

You guys suggest we pull the plug after all this investment without the payout? That doesn't make sense.

But like I've said a few times, it would be nice for Kingi or Stirzaker to start getting 20-30 minutes a game to prove me wrong. I'd actually be perfectly happy to be proved wrong.
 
en_force_er

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Hawko said:
Wish what you said was true, but for me Stirzacker is miles ahead of him and Kingi would be if he could just stay away from the injury box. My ranking of scrum halves in Australia would have about 10 others in front of him. I reckon the order of merit looks something like this:
  1. Genia
  2. White
  3. Sheehan
  4. Lucas, McKibben, Stirzacker, Prior, Hart, Kingi
  5. Frisby, Swanepoel, Snowden
  6. Phipps
Not for the first time Mr Deans and I agree to disagree on selections.
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That's a pretty outlandish list. The first 3 are debateable, I'd concede to agree to disagree on those.

But at far as your 4th rank goes that's pretty crazy, Kingi has barely played 9 at Super rugby level, Snowden hasn't played super rugby, and Swanny hasn't been considered up to riding the pine at Canterbury ITM this year.
 
Sir Arthur Higgins

Sir Arthur Higgins

Dick Tooth (41)
KevinO said:
Which packs did Genia play that where far worse?

Phipps is playing behind one of the weakest packs Australia has had, and in a team with no stand out leader. Yes, Sharpie is there but we have all seen his interviews after match's................
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Phipps is not an international scrum half. and he's not really a starting super rugby 9. before he was injured, kinghi was killing it for the rebels and would have remained in the starting spot had he not got down. strizaker (sp?) is far superior from what I have seen. i dont get this defending phipps - is it just because he's a rebel? some twisted form of parochialism?
he is nowhere near genia's standard. nor that of ben youngs, danny care, piri weepu (when fit), smith, jimmy cowan, hougaard, etc etc.
despite being a rebels fan, i can say phipps is bad just like i can say mike harris without a goal kicking ability would be the worst wallaby fullback in 20 years.
 
Sir Arthur Higgins

Sir Arthur Higgins

Dick Tooth (41)
Hawko said:
Wish what you said was true, but for me Stirzacker is miles ahead of him and Kingi would be if he could just stay away from the injury box. My ranking of scrum halves in Australia would have about 10 others in front of him. I reckon the order of merit looks something like this:
  1. Genia
  2. White
  3. Sheehan
  4. Lucas, McKibben, Stirzacker, Prior, Hart, Kingi
  5. Frisby, Swanepoel, Snowden
  6. Phipps
Not for the first time Mr Deans and I agree to disagree on selections.
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agree with almost all you say
but i would rank it
1. Genia
2. sheehan
3. white/kingi
4.strizacker
5. mckibben
6. phipps
7. hart has immense potential. i don't rate lucas that much, but he could be quality with more time.
 
Braveheart81

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Bowside said:
As you said it is sometimes hard to play behind the Australian pack, but none of our other halves have every struggled as much as phipps has. Genia has shone behind far worse packs, even burgess (who could only pass one way) still made a good fist of it.
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Comparing Phipps to Genia and Burgess seems pretty pointless. Both have played around 40 tests and Phipps has played 9. Genia and Burgess are both vastly superior and more experienced players. I think very few people would try and argue otherwise.

I'm not a fan of Phipps at all and I certainly think he should have been dragged against France and Sheehan should start against England but at the moment we don't have many options.

I don't think Prior and Frisby are anywhere near being reasonable options given their complete inexperience in Super Rugby. Selecting either of them for the Wallabies at this stage would be an outrageous selection in my opinion.
 
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