Quade Cooper?

[Penguin]

He can tackle & does make tackles.... he just misses some & doesn't complete others. This makes him minutely overrated. But seeing as your a Pom I'm not surprised at your comment.

 

[ripper868]

Rather have Cooper where he doesn't need to tackle then in a position where he does and is missing them.

I enjoy him playing at 15 in defence - reads the game, catches well, counter-attacks beautifully - no NEED to put him in the front line so why do it?

Also, he's contracted to the QRU till the end of 2012 so he won't be going to league after RWC. The only question is how much top-up the ARU will be giving him.

 

[daz]

What is that logo at the top left of your post, ripper868? Looking at it makes me feel unclean and superior all at the same time.

I've suddenly got the urge to skoll a 6-pack of alcopops, walk to the next office and urinate on my colleagues desk whilst making inappropriate remarks of a sexual nature.....

 

[cyclopath]

He can tackle & does make tackles.... he just misses some & doesn't complete others. This makes him minutely overrated. But seeing as your a Pom I'm not surprised at your comment.

You do realise where Leinster is?
Our resident legal eagle from the Emerald Isle might pop in to enlighten you, and I'm pretty sure he won't admit to being a Pom. Although he does hate Leinster.

 

[ripper868]

What is that logo at the top left of your post, ripper868? Looking at it makes me feel unclean and superior all at the same time.

I've suddenly got the urge to skoll a 6-pack of alcopops, walk to the next office and urinate on my colleagues desk whilst making inappropriate remarks of a sexual nature.....

Is there for effect - thought i'd try out the shiny button below the post and thats about it

 

[Penguin]

You do realise where Leinster is?
Our resident legal eagle from the Emerald Isle might pop in to enlighten you, and I'm pretty sure he won't admit to being a Pom. Although he does hate Leinster.

Doh! I'm always getting Leinster mixed up with Leicester. It's a special kind of dyslexia. Apologies to the Irish lad, I meant no offence

 

[waratahjesus]

Rather have Cooper where he doesn't need to tackle then in a position where he does and is missing them.

I enjoy him playing at 15 in defence - reads the game, catches well, counter-attacks beautifully - no NEED to put him in the front line so why do it?

Also, he's contracted to the QRU till the end of 2012 so he won't be going to league after RWC. The only question is how much top-up the ARU will be giving him.

its fine him defending at 15 for the reds, but when it comes wallaby time, it takes away beale running the ball back. in other words it detracts from a player thats a specilist in there position from doing a job they do on a world class level cos the player doing it cant tackle at the level required of him, thus making him a non international player under the rules of rugby by which a team without the ball defends by tackling there opposition.

 

[Groucho]

Doh! I'm always getting Leinster mixed up with Leicester. It's a special kind of dyslexia. Apologies to the Irish lad, I meant no offence

Dysleinstia.

 

[Sandpit Fan]

its fine him defending at 15 for the reds, but when it comes wallaby time, it takes away beale running the ball back. in other words it detracts from a player thats a specilist in there position from doing a job they do on a world class level cos the player doing it cant tackle at the level required of him, thus making him a non international player under the rules of rugby by which a team without the ball defends by tackling there opposition.

KB (Kurtley Beale)'s not the lone ranger running the ball back. The Crusaders seem to be doing pretty well with 4 people down the back, is it 18 of 31 tries from kick returns or turnovers? Makes it more difficult for defending teams if both are back there, potentially running off each other.

 

[Reddy!]

Seriously? More debate over Quade Cooper? He is probably the most important player in the Wallaby team. His tackling is coming along slowly anyhow. At least suggest an alternative. James O'Connor missed a shed load of tackles against the Crusaders by the way.

edit: Interesting thought came into my head - is it because Quade Cooper doesn't not tackle often on the front line, that he is able to avoid injury and stay on the paddock for a whole season, and thus is a great asset to the team. Which is important because he is such a crucial player. Conversely, look at TPN, Horne, Barnes etc who play most of their rugby on the sidelines. I know somebody has to make the tackles, I was just putting it out there.

 

[waratahjesus]

i think any team that doesnt win consistantly is open to debate reddy.

interesting about quade staying on the paddock, but it only makes sense if he doesnt give away points. we have alot of young blokes with alot of promise that if they keep improving and stick together for five years should make a world class team for a few years to come. problem is, how does someone like quade improve a weakness by shying away from it?

 

[Sully]

its fine him defending at 15 for the reds, but when it comes wallaby time, it takes away beale running the ball back. in other words it detracts from a player thats a specilist in there position from doing a job they do on a world class level cos the player doing it cant tackle at the level required of him, thus making him a non international player under the rules of rugby by which a team without the ball defends by tackling there opposition.

World class? How any tests does he have at fullback?

 

[waratahjesus]

World class? How any tests does he have at fullback?

a few. he played really well against good opposition making him up to the task which makes him class.

how many has cooper played?

 

[TOCC]

Well if that's what it comes down to, Id say QC (Quade Cooper) at 5/8 is significantly more important then having KB (Kurtley Beale) at fullback...

Its not the first time a players selection has been influenced by anothers deficiencies at test level...

 

[Tahfan]

The trend is that the NRL brand is growing a lot faster than those of the NSWRU and ARU and this will be reflected in the money from TV rights and sponorships.

I can see in the near future NRL clubs cherry picking our stars as the ARU waffles on about fiscal responsibility and reducing player payments.

Best point of the thread.

ARU are brining in a salary cap that is the same as leagues is now and will be reducing it by $300K. This is supposed to cover a BIGGER squad then league clubs have to pay which means marquee players will be able to earn more playing NRL and won't need to go overseas nearly as much which will mean a better lifestyle for those who would prefer not to be on the road.

ARU needs to push SANZAR for a longer competition so it can compete in the TV rights game. 16 games + finals simply won't cut the mustard and won't give them the $$$ they need to keep players here.

TBH I can't see the wallabies winning anything with Cooper at 10 unless he learns to tackle. All recent world cup winning sides had 10's who could tackle and the sides that underachieved (Ireland, France etc) did not.... Personally I hope he stays and learns to tackle. That will make the Lions tour in 2013 something epic!

 

[Sully]

They don't need a longer season because they have a real international calendar.

 

[darkhorse]

They don't need a longer season because they have a real international calendar.

Unfortunately that's not enough

 

[daz]

You don't think 8-9 months of the year is enough?

This is a high impact/high collision sport. More than that and our guys will be dropping dead.....

 

[Tahfan]

They don't need a longer season because they have a real international calendar.

disagree. The fact that the ARU are going to have a smaller salary cap then the NRL in 2 years proves it. They need a decent domestic season to sell the rights too.

Of course if they dont care about that and are happy to lose our most exciting backs to a game where forwards don't matter (and they don't no matter what anyone says, SBW playing centre in Union proves it) then fine. And of course those who don't go to league will go to Europe we may keep a handful of our really best players but lose a bucket load of that next level in the process.

The system is broke and it needs fixing now..

 

[Scotty]

Tahfan, pretty sure that cap doesn't include the aru top ups which are significant for top players. League still can't compete on the highest paid level. The lower paid squad members might differ though.