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QLD Reds 2010

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Tim Horan (67)
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Four rounds in to the new season without Berrick Barnes. My question is, Are we really missing him? Ant Fianga has stepped up and is doing a decent job in attack and defence. Qld is keeping the ball in hand more which is good and cooper has taken on more of a leadership role in the back line. Not forgetting Morgan Ts contribution.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
More importantly, the style you're playing doesn't require a second five-eighth and so A Finger's direct game works - though he also has the passing skills.

The NSW style doesn't need it either to be honest, but for some reason we persist putting Barnes back in the pocket.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Sully said:
Four rounds in to the new season without Berrick Barnes. My question is, Are we really missing him? Ant Fianga has stepped up and is doing a decent job in attack and defence. Qld is keeping the ball in hand more which is good and cooper has taken on more of a leadership role in the back line. Not forgetting Morgan Ts contribution.

I thought the world was going to cave in when we lost him. Now, I don't see any room to take him back. Cooper has really grown up this year and part of me thinks that is because finally he had too. Both the Finger brothers have taken their opportunities out of the shadow of others and really made a good show of it.

It looks like Hynes will be back for the Force game. Does he move onto a wing and Luke M stay at full back to keep developing in that position? What does everybody else think? It is good to see the Reds have positive selection dramas like these as it has been a while.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Hynes to fullback. Digby back to wing. Morahan to other wing. Chambers to bench. Although I wouldn't complain if Chambers started and Morahan was on the bench.

Morahan and Chambers still made a few mistakes and still have some way to go in their respective development. Mainly due to positioning.
 
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tranquility

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Yeah I agree. Hynes is the veteran and if he can get his kicking game more consistent could actually become a better fullback then he was a winger. Morahan is and out and out winger, he can play fullback because he is a class athlete - but lets use this man on the end of an effective backline and see what he can really do. If digby is back aswell, I would prefer too see Chambers go to the bench and then regardless of the situation bring him on at 13 with or so to go. While Morgan is fantastic to have out there with his tactical nouse and the direction he brings, he still has his weaknesses with falling off tackles and not moving very well laterally. Chambers could be a very good 13.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Start chambers at 13 and bring Morgs on to steady tjhe ship if that need be the case. Selection purely for development reasons and not related to form.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Ruggo said:
Start Chambers at 13 and bring Morgs on to steady the ship if that need be the case. Selection purely for development reasons and not related to form.

How about starting Morgan at 12 for the odd game with Chambers at 13. There's no doubt Ant Fainga'a and Morahan are the players for the future, but it would be foolish to not use Turinui's experience while it's available. I've always thought Morgan should make a better 12 than 13, he's too slow for an out-and-out outside centre.
 
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TOCC

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not that i disagree with any of the ideas in regards to the Reds backline, i do question the need to change something which until now has been functioning quite well.

In attack the the 10-12 channel has been quite fruitfell, and in defence apart from Quade's missed tackles the actual defensive structure is solid.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
The Reds do have a few options with the outside backs now. However i say if its not broken dont fix it. The backs have been playing well so the lesser the changes the better. Gotta keep Fainga 12, Morgs 13, hynes fullback. Any experimental changes should only be made in the last 10minutes of a game that is clearly won or lost for that matter or out of desperation eg injury.

Love watching the reds this year but I think if Cooper goes down the reds will go down with him. I guess that makes him the most valuable player in the team!
 
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TOCC

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Quade is 100% the most valuable player in the team, nothing against Genia or the other blokes but its just a fact that there is no worthy backup 5/8. We have Tim Walsh, yeah maybe he might be able to fill in for a bit, but he is by no means a replacement.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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fuck the development crap. We are 2 and 2. Still a good chance of making the finals.

Can we focus on that? Just pick the best team and try to win?
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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I'm with you Noddy a 50% win loss ratio and the boys want to fiddle. Leave it alone for a while and see want happens.
 
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tranquility

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Completley agree, it would be madness to change anything at the moment. However I do agree with an earlier poster that Morgan is more of a 12 than a 13 although he always ends up there. The old dog is going alright though - so its not a big one. It will be good to get hynes back at fullback though.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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This from Wayne Smith at the Australian today-
Berrick Barnes has role in Reds revival

* Wayne Smith
* From: The Australian
* March 08, 2010 11:01AM



IT was always the hope that Berrick Barnes would turn around Queensland rugby this year - and that's precisely how it has turned out.

But what wasn't envisaged was that he would have such a profound effect on his home state while wearing the sky blue of NSW.

When Barnes made the jaw-dropping decision to switch to the Waratahs last July, it was as though the last flickering light in Queensland rugby had been extinguished. Even the true believers sighed, shrugged their shoulders and turned their backs, all hope gone.

The Reds seemingly had so few quality players, so few inspiring leaders and then to lose the one player whose mere presence had hinted at an admittedly far-distance revival was too much even for the faithful.

But what no one could know then was that it was in leaving that Barnes would perform his greatest service to Queensland.

His departure triggered a media storm which in turn prompted the then chairman Peter Lewis, no stranger to nasty headlines in the business as well as the sports section of the paper, to offer his resignation.

It was an offer he did not expect would be accepted for the very good reason that he almost single-handedly was keeping the Queensland Rugby Union financially afloat.

Certainly if the union had been relying on the fund-raising efforts of all the other board members, Queensland rugby would have sunk beneath the waves years earlier.

Yet, stunningly, the board decided to send a disbelieving Lewis on his way, along with chief executive Ken Freer whose resignation had been accepted some months earlier.

That changed everything. Under Lewis, Phil Mooney had been assured of retaining the Reds coaching job, even if there was carnage all about him as both of his assistant coaches, the team manager and the high performance director all were summarily dispatched in the immediate aftermath of Barnes's departure.

But when Lewis fell on his sword, the one man who had stood between the embattled coach and the howling mob was lost and one of the first actions of new chairman Rod McCall was to rescind the earlier vote of confidence in Mooney and announce that the Reds would have a new coach in 2010.

Leaving the quickly-installed Ewen McKenzie to attend to Queensland's football, McCall turned his attention to Queensland's finances. As he and new chief executive Jim Carmichael were to discover when they peeled back the carpet, the floorboards beneath were riddled with termites.

They could have gently lowered the carpet back into place and tiptoed gently for the next couple of years in the hope that the whole structure wouldn't collapse upon itself but instead they called in the exterminator. Or should that be The Terminator -- John O'Neill?

Whatever, it took guts for any QRU official to appeal to the ARU boss for help. One thing is certain: had Lewis remained in charge, it would never have happened. The QRU would have tried to find another way, any other way of extricating itself from its troubles.

So, for better or for worse, Barnes triggered the course of action that led irreversibly to the ARU bail-out of Queensland rugby.

Meanwhile, back on the field where the real business of the QRU needed to be done, McKenzie was working a minor miracle.

Ever the hard-headed realist, the new Reds coach realised he had to fashion a basic playing style out of the talent at his disposal.

Had Barnes been his first option at five-eighth, McKenzie surely would have utilised his kicking skills to play a largely field-position game.

Think back to the way the Reds beat the Blues in Albany last year when Barnes bossed the game. No doubt McKenzie would have aimed at a more consistent application of that effective, if limited tactical approach.

With Barnes out of the equation, however, McKenzie was faced with two alternatives: either try to make Quade Cooper into something he wasn't or else work with the fact that while Cooper's kicking game was barely adequate, his passing and running skills were sublime.

It would be a massive over-simplification to suggest McKenzie built an entire Reds game around one player. Worse than that, it would simply be wrong. But there is no doubt that Cooper was the starting point and that from there McKenzie then had to find a way that allowed his young playmaker to express his skills while still playing well with others and sticking within the confines of the overall team approach.

Just how good a job McKenzie has done in that regard was evident to all in Hamilton on Friday night.

Let's not get unduly excited by the fact the Reds have won two of their four matches to date this season. They were in precisely the same position at the corresponding stage of the 2004 campaign and finished third-last. In 2008 and 2009, they won two of their opening five matches and bottomed out then as well. There is, as McKenzie sternly warned his players in the shed in Hamilton, still a long, long way to go.

Still, the Reds and Queensland rugby are deeply indebted to Berrick Barnes for triggering the revolution that has led to this dramatic turnaround. Without him, who knows where Queensland rugby might be today.

That said, no one in Queensland rugby is missing him. Not yet at least. Whether Barnes is missing Queensland . . . well, that might be another story.

Some interesting incites. Peter Lewis has been a loyal servant of Qld Rugby for years. But Rod McCall really needs congratulating for taking on what is arguably the toughest job in Australian Rugby and not shirking his responsibilities for a second! He certainly has had to make some tough decisions and to my knowledge has been wrong yet. Well done Mr McCall!
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Fa'ainga is arguably the form 12 in Australia and the most consistent back for the Reds along with Genia. He ain't going to be moved anywhere. Neither will Morgan for that matter.

No need to rush Chambers. There is plenty of time for him.
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
Agree Faainga is the form 12 at the moment. His ability to step up this season has been a big factor in the success of the reds the past 4 games. Before the season i was thinking that the reds wouldnt have a decent 12 and that would be their downfall. Thank god for Faainga! After coops i think he and his brother are extremely valuable and if either go down to injury we'll be in big trouble. Mainly because their are no good replacements for inside centre or hooker. Hope he continues form and i wouldnt even mind seeing him in a wallabies jersey ahead of barnes, gits, JOC (James O'Connor).
 
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Seb V said:
Agree Faainga is the form 12 at the moment. His ability to step up this season has been a big factor in the success of the reds the past 4 games. Before the season i was thinking that the reds wouldnt have a decent 12 and that would be their downfall. Thank god for Faainga! After coops i think he and his brother are extremely valuable and if either go down to injury we'll be in big trouble. Mainly because their are no good replacements for inside centre or hooker. Hope he continues form and i wouldnt even mind seeing him in a wallabies jersey ahead of barnes, gits, JOC (James O'Connor).

I also agree that these guys are performing admirably but there is also Hardman and Hanson as back-up hookers. I haven't seen much of Hanson but there are plenty of good judges that feel he has what it takes to progress. Also there is Tapuai at 12 as backup. Everyone seems to be rating Saia and Anthony (for good reason) this season, but cast your mind back to last season. The difference is that they have taken their chances and there are others waiting in the wings to do exactly that. Davies is another example! Don't underestimate the depth that is emerging within the Reds
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
Seb V said:
Agree Faainga is the form 12 at the moment. His ability to step up this season has been a big factor in the success of the reds the past 4 games. Before the season i was thinking that the reds wouldnt have a decent 12 and that would be their downfall. Thank god for Faainga! After coops i think he and his brother are extremely valuable and if either go down to injury we'll be in big trouble. Mainly because their are no good replacements for inside centre or hooker. Hope he continues form and i wouldnt even mind seeing him in a wallabies jersey ahead of barnes, gits, JOC (James O'Connor).

Hoestly thought this guy was good as gone after last year.

Actually I think its more than the step (although it's still a critical skill). With the crackdown the 12's who can hit the line hard and make the right choices when to go to ground, offload, or use strenght to stay on their feet are the ones making an impact. Fainga'a has done this very well. The role of the play maker at 12 is shifting.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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Big call from Link putting Adam Byrne on the bench while he is being courted by the Rebels!
 
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