Qld Premier Rugby 2023

[RugbyReg]

hahaha legal ramifications from a forum. imagine that. i dont think so.
Isnt that the point of these forums...to make unsubstantiated claims and get ppl talking

easy for you to laugh at but you wouldn't believe the amount of scrutiny we behind the scenes of the forum get from legal types

 

[Rusted]

I'm not sure Brisbane Club rugby can sustain another club when existing clubs are struggling to field more than 3 senior men's grade teams, 1 quality women's team and 2 colts teams. Which leads to another question. Do clubs have to meet a certain criteria to be able to field teams in the Brisbane Premier club comp? Such as minimum of 4 men's teams, 1 women's team and 3 colts teams? I know some clubs who have 3 to 4 colts teams are struggling to find games to fill the season because at least 3 clubs only have 2 colts teams.

That aside, I think a team in the Logan area is a must. It is a neglected area for rugby. Only a handful of schools offer rugby as a sport and the junior Logan club does not have a senior presence. Most talent from this area ends up in league. Maybe a small handful get school rugby scholarships (and then end up in league anyway).

 

[PhilClinton]

I'm not sure Brisbane Club rugby can sustain another club when existing clubs are struggling to field more than 3 senior men's grade teams, 1 quality women's team and 2 colts teams. Which leads to another question. Do clubs have to meet a certain criteria to be able to field teams in the Brisbane Premier club comp? Such as minimum of 4 men's teams, 1 women's team and 3 colts teams? I know some clubs who have 3 to 4 colts teams are struggling to find games to fill the season because at least 3 clubs only have 2 colts teams.

That aside, I think a team in the Logan area is a must. It is a neglected area for rugby. Only a handful of schools offer rugby as a sport and the junior Logan club does not have a senior presence. Most talent from this area ends up in league. Maybe a small handful get school rugby scholarships (and then end up in league anyway).

Logan were given a pretty clear roadmap in terms of becoming a premier rugby team, I believe there was hope they were going to be added around 2019.

As you mention earlier, there are minimum requirements and Logan were assembling that criteria before some issues arose internally at the club and things have done downhill.

 

[MoneyBill685]

seen that the ballymore kid junior laloifi is back at the bank.

could be a resurgence at sunnybank this year with new coach and new playing group.

thought sione fukofaka did a pretty good job with what he had his couple of years he was there.

 

[Kitwalker]

I’m assuming the Colt is Dre Pakeho??

No it’s not

 

[Kitwalker]

I'm not sure Brisbane Club rugby can sustain another club when existing clubs are struggling to field more than 3 senior men's grade teams, 1 quality women's team and 2 colts teams. Which leads to another question. Do clubs have to meet a certain criteria to be able to field teams in the Brisbane Premier club comp? Such as minimum of 4 men's teams, 1 women's team and 3 colts teams? I know some clubs who have 3 to 4 colts teams are struggling to find games to fill the season because at least 3 clubs only have 2 colts teams.

That aside, I think a team in the Logan area is a must. It is a neglected area for rugby. Only a handful of schools offer rugby as a sport and the junior Logan club does not have a senior presence. Most talent from this area ends up in league. Maybe a small handful get school rugby scholarships (and then end up in league anyway).

Logan were in the comp a few years ago. Bunch of thugs who all they did was cause trouble and fight. They didn’t travel well and struggled to field two senior teams.

 

[MoneyBill685]

No it’s not

whats his name rhyme with? lol

 

[The Nomad]

I'm not sure Brisbane Club rugby can sustain another club when existing clubs are struggling to field more than 3 senior men's grade teams, 1 quality women's team and 2 colts teams. Which leads to another question. Do clubs have to meet a certain criteria to be able to field teams in the Brisbane Premier club comp? Such as minimum of 4 men's teams, 1 women's team and 3 colts teams? I know some clubs who have 3 to 4 colts teams are struggling to find games to fill the season because at least 3 clubs only have 2 colts teams.

That aside, I think a team in the Logan area is a must. It is a neglected area for rugby. Only a handful of schools offer rugby as a sport and the junior Logan club does not have a senior presence. Most talent from this area ends up in league. Maybe a small handful get school rugby scholarships (and then end up in league anyway).

Think any club added would need to be from outside Brisbane, in terms of talent already on the ground the Darling Downs would be most likely to have the numbers required maybe?

 

[PhilClinton]

Think any club added would need to be from outside Brisbane, in terms of talent already on the ground the Darling Downs would be most likely to have the numbers required maybe?

It's interesting because the competition is obviously 'Queensland Premier Rugby' as many pointed out last year when Bond were appointed to host a day of finals games for a bunch of teams based in Brisbane.

But the further outside the borders we go, it opens up issues with player numbers of availability, more specifically for teams down the grades. If you start playing teams which are 1-2hrs away, and they're only able to field maybe three grades a few colts, you then need to think about fresh benches, what your club does with the other teams. It would also mean having multiple rounds where larger clubs have their lower grade not playing games, but they are all expected to pay the same subs.

Most clubs in Brisbane have depth down to 4th-5th grade still and women's teams. Should that be a baseline for any new teams and not just a 1st and 2nd grade? Which was the only requirement for Bond...

 

[Kitwalker]

It's interesting because the competition is obviously 'Queensland Premier Rugby' as many pointed out last year when Bond were appointed to host a day of finals games for a bunch of teams based in Brisbane.

But the further outside the borders we go, it opens up issues with player numbers of availability, more specifically for teams down the grades. If you start playing teams which are 1-2hrs away, and they're only able to field maybe three grades a few colts, you then need to think about fresh benches, what your club does with the other teams. It would also mean having multiple rounds where larger clubs have their lower grade not playing games, but they are all expected to pay the same subs.

Most clubs in Brisbane have depth down to 4th-5th grade still and women's teams. Should that be a baseline for any new teams and not just a 1st and 2nd grade? Which was the only requirement for Bond...

I agree Phil, however Bond now have third grade and a couple of colts teams plus women’s. I think the Sunshine Coast would be a good option as would the darling downs region. I think the comp needs a 10th team so they all play more rugby. Bond is a shit of a trip but you only have to go once a year and they have the best facilities.

 

[Bulldog]

Best facilities? Visiting teams aren’t even given a dressing shed on days when the AFL field is in use. Yet Bond allocated two sheds for themselves. You would think that a couple of dressing sheds in the recently constructed grandstand/club house wouldn’t have been too much to ask for.

 

[The Nomad]

It's interesting because the competition is obviously 'Queensland Premier Rugby' as many pointed out last year when Bond were appointed to host a day of finals games for a bunch of teams based in Brisbane.

But the further outside the borders we go, it opens up issues with player numbers of availability, more specifically for teams down the grades. If you start playing teams which are 1-2hrs away, and they're only able to field maybe three grades a few colts, you then need to think about fresh benches, what your club does with the other teams. It would also mean having multiple rounds where larger clubs have their lower grade not playing games, but they are all expected to pay the same subs.

Most clubs in Brisbane have depth down to 4th-5th grade still and women's teams. Should that be a baseline for any new teams and not just a 1st and 2nd grade? Which was the only requirement for Bond...

Agree nobody wants to travel for just a few games, but think the Downs would most likely have the numbers. The bigger issue would be what it potentially does to their own comp.

 

[Adam84]

Having lived and played on the Darling Downs, it's not an issue of having the talent in the broader region; the issue is that these players live and play hours away from each other. Goondiwindi is historically one of the stronger teams on the Darling Downs and the largest representative in the Darling Downs rep team, however, they're 3hr 30 from Toowoomba. Likewise, St George and Roma are also 3-4 hours drive. Warick and Dalby are 1 hour away. Even when they select a rep team from the region it's a struggle to get all the players together for camps and training given work and travel requirements.

Which is why I thought it was rather comical last year when Brisbane clubs were blowing up about having to drive 45mins to Bond University for a finals match. It's common for these lads on the darling downs to drive 8-hour round trips on successive weekends.

 

[PhilClinton]

Which is why I thought it was rather comical last year when Brisbane clubs were blowing up about having to drive 45mins to Bond University for a finals match. It's common for these lads on the darling downs to drive 8-hour round trips on successive weekends.

Not to reopen an old wound, because I definitely take your point and having a connection with both the Gundy club and Dalby (and Condamine) I've done my fair share of driving to watch/play rugby. But I think the issue last year wasn't just the clubs and players, but also the spectators.

We want to make our game accessible to all the fans and families who support our clubs and that situation wasn't ideal for them either. It's also a hard comparison to make because if you choose to play/support rugby in the Darling Downs comp, you know what is going to be expected re travel. I doubt many Brothers/Wests etc supporters envisioned having to drive down to Bond to watch a neutral game of finals footy.

 

[Sir Charles]

I like NZs format which allows all clubs to participate at all levels base on ability without having to fall under Premier Club umbrellas - excluding 1st/2nd Grade this has to be earnt through relegation, all other grades are up for grabs regardless of Premier Club Status.

Any club can participate in 3rd Grade, winner of 3rd Grade to play the wooden spoon of 2nd Grade, winner of 2nd Grade to play wooden spoon 1st Grade gives all clubs an opportunity to play higher level footy based on ability without Premier Club status etc - Colts grades dictated by grading results, I understand financial reason blah blah but it keeps players in the game longer and grows every club not just the select few.

 

[PhilClinton]

I like NZs format which allows all clubs to participate at all levels base on ability without having to fall under Premier Club umbrellas excluding 1st/2nd Grade this has to be earnt through relegation - all other grades are up for grabs regardless of Premier grade Club Status.

Any club can participate in 3rd Grade, winner of 3rd Grade to play the wooden spoon of 2nd Grade, winner of 2nd Grade to play wooden spoon 1st Grade gives all clubs and opportunity to play higher level footy based on ability without Premier Grade Club status etc - Colts grades dictated by grading results, I understand financial reason blah blah but it keeps players in the game longer and grows every club not just the select few.

I actually think our Subbies comp is pretty good at keeping clubs together and players in the game. Granted I haven't been involved for a while now but I believe the Friday night comps and Barber Cup are still running 6-9 team comps?

The issue with opening up the 'Premier Comp' to anyone even in the lower grades is that you lose stability of the comp each year, plenty of subbies/smaller clubs teams fluctuate player numbers, they might have two or three years where a group of mates all decide to have a final run together, and then they retire and suddenly the club is down 10 players for next year. If that team had been promoted to 3rd grade per your example, they likely wouldnt be able to play to that standard.

It generally doesn't happen as much at the established premier clubs because they've got player depth coming through who will be equally competitive in 3rd/4th grade going forward regardless of player drain (that's a generalisation I know).

 

[Confucius Say]

Current team format works with the bye round very handy for a rest or a rain affected reschedule or even a global pandemic shutdown.

Most teams are happy to travel to Bond once a year (let’s face it the M1 is pretty busy on weekends) and leave it at that. If there was a Sunshine Coast trip added (other than for the Noosa 7s), well I’m not convinced that would be a good thing.

But keen for a regional carnival weekend early in the season with best players from DD, SC, GC, CQ, NQ etc to be played. A QLD Country Cup of sorts to grow the interest in regional rugby.

Then a QLD country team is selected and plays a QPR Brisbane City U23 XV in Townsville or on Sunny Coast before a Reds Super Rugby match.

 

[PhilClinton]

Yep - the engagement/enjoyment GPS get from playing Dalby these last few years has been great.

A wider country cup carnival type situation in the pre-season would be great.

In terms of bringing in a big crowd, there happened to be race day on at Dalby when GPS played there this year. The racetrack and rugby fields are right next to each other and lots of punters made there way down after the races. Having something like that on during a carnival weekend would definitely draw a good crowd.

 

[new recruit_ brisbane]

I actually think our Subbies comp is pretty good at keeping clubs together and players in the game. Granted I haven't been involved for a while now but I believe the Friday night comps and Barber Cup are still running 6-9 team comps?

The issue with opening up the 'Premier Comp' to anyone even in the lower grades is that you lose stability of the comp each year, plenty of subbies/smaller clubs teams fluctuate player numbers, they might have two or three years where a group of mates all decide to have a final run together, and then they retire and suddenly the club is down 10 players for next year. If that team had been promoted to 3rd grade per your example, they likely wouldnt be able to play to that standard.

It generally doesn't happen as much at the established premier clubs because they've got player depth coming through who will be equally competitive in 3rd/4th grade going forward regardless of player drain (that's a generalisation I know).

QLD Subbies is a basket case (no place for a 2 team club) - club like Wynnum left and are forced to play in the Sunshine Coast competition to ensure they have a reliable, well organised competition.

 

[JRugby]

But keen for a regional carnival weekend early in the season with best players from DD, SC, GC, CQ, NQ etc to be played. A QLD Country Cup of sorts to grow the interest in regional rugby.

This has been happening for several years.