QLD GPS Rugby 2019

[Cancelled Account]

SW is a great talent and his contract is fair and deserving. Rugby was never going to get a look in. I know money talks but his heart was always with RL. Family are RL supporters.
RL have a huge number of kids on pitiful contracts, and 99% don’t even get a run for the NRL. What I do like most about Australian Rugby is that the players who really show potential are the ones rewarded with contracts. QRU handle this really well and there are only a few that don’t progress to Super Rugby. If QRU haven’t showed interest when the boys are in year 11 and 12, then their chances are slim but not completely gone. Players high development stage (not peak performance) is usually between 18 - 24 years old. But you do find if Rugby hasn’t shown an interest by year 12, then players on the fence will chase RL managers and in turn supplementary contracts. Unfortunately for the ARU budget, good players with potential are lost to RL. If only the ARU executive management were smarter and effective business minds, we could retain a good number of talented players. But at the same time Rugby doesn’t have the increasing number of suicides and players with chronic mental illness as RL does, which may stem from promised success that is not delivered.

 

[Lute]

SW is a great talent and his contract is fair and deserving. Rugby was never going to get a look in. I know money talks but his heart was always with RL. Family are RL supporters.
RL have a huge number of kids on pitiful contracts, and 99% don’t even get a run for the NRL. What I do like most about Australian Rugby is that the players who really show potential are the ones rewarded with contracts. QRU handle this really well and there are only a few that don’t progress to Super Rugby. If QRU haven’t showed interest when the boys are in year 11 and 12, then their chances are slim but not completely gone. Players high development stage (not peak performance) is usually between 18 - 24 years old. But you do find if Rugby hasn’t shown an interest by year 12, then players on the fence will chase RL managers and in turn supplementary contracts. Unfortunately for the ARU budget, good players with potential are lost to RL. If only the ARU executive management were smarter and effective business minds, we could retain a good number of talented players. But at the same time Rugby doesn’t have the increasing number of suicides and players with chronic mental illness as RL does, which may stem from promised success that is not delivered.

Or ARU and QRU just don’t have the money to hand out more contracts!,to say that it is good management is laughable ,and your last paragraph blaming promised success on deeper seated issues is an elitist comment at best.

 

[RugbyReg]

theres a 13 year old at our school in the Bronco academy. 13! Now I'm sure he's not getting paid but he's getting kit and at the very least a S&C program which he does diligently in the school gym

Perhaps the Reds should give kit to every Jnr State Champ team from 12 and up, or select team from those tournaments, and say they are in the Reds Jnr Academy.

 

[RugbyReg]

Or ARU and QRU just don’t have the money to hand out more contracts!,to say that it is good management is laughable ,and your last paragraph blaming promised success on deeper seated issues is an elitist comment at best.

Not really. The NRL are looking into it.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/youth-s...xLgwDxEELl5M_lf7R0BBoQgNZQhqP7HXi7rZaEmIAJ4WF


https://www.news.com.au/sport/sport...d/news-story/9cf25c04d30d4eb164debb552f3ceace

The region’s (Townsville) suicide rate for 2011-2013 was 1.5 times that of the national figure at 17 compared with 10.9 per 100,000 people. Five of those 17 were young NRL-contracted players, which prompted some parents and officials to express concern over the pressure on young footballers on the cusp of cracking the elite ranks.

 

[Garry Owens]

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/australian-super-rugby-franchises-arent-identifying-talent/

Great article by Green and Gold's own Cameron Rivett that really turns Bob Rugger's comments on its head

 

[Lute]

Not really. The NRL are looking into it.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/youth-s...xLgwDxEELl5M_lf7R0BBoQgNZQhqP7HXi7rZaEmIAJ4WF


https://www.news.com.au/sport/sport...d/news-story/9cf25c04d30d4eb164debb552f3ceace

Yes, but where is the pressure coming from?

 

[RugbyReg]

Yes, but where is the pressure coming from?

well I guess we'll learn more from the studies but I remember hearing some pretty horrendous stories of how these young kids were treated in the professional environment.

 

[Cancelled Account]

theres a 13 year old at our school in the Bronco academy. 13! Now I'm sure he's not getting paid but he's getting kit and at the very least a S&C program which he does diligently in the school gym

Perhaps the Reds should give kit to every Jnr State Champ team from 12 and up, or select team from those tournaments, and say they are in the Reds Jnr Academy.

It starts off with kit and a one off payment for $2000.
There needs to be some sort of rugby brand promotion. Kit is simple advertising and gets the young ones identifying with their idol players.
Years ago the Reds used to send a Reds coaching team to the schools. Sometimes the players would join them. Obviously the budget doesn’t stretch that far now. I’m sure a few schools and businesses would chip in for this if asked.

 

[Cancelled Account]

Or ARU and QRU just don’t have the money to hand out more contracts!,to say that it is good management is laughable ,and your last paragraph blaming promised success on deeper seated issues is an elitist comment at best.

Mate this is a massive problem and not one that NRL are ignorant to or taking lightly. There are many closed door discussions that have been in effect for the past 12 months. On top on this, many clubs have invested in professional advice such as physiologist and medical practitioners to have on hand. Not elitist. A real problem.

 

[Cancelled Account]

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/australian-super-rugby-franchises-arent-identifying-talent/

Great article by Green and Gold's own Cameron Rivett that really turns Bob Rugger's comments on its head

GO haven’t you heard that you can’t believe everything you read. Some good views in this article but not consistent with what is happening in QLD and maybe other states.

 

[Garry Owens]

Maybe you could elaborate Bob ?

It seems to me you haven’t read the article and /or understood it’s central assertion - and that is homer made kool aid is a one way ticket to organisational shitsville . This central assertion is entirely consistent with how Rugby businesses in Australia do business and what you extolled , in the contrary view , as the clever way of stamped passport progression in roster strategies .

I believe Cameron has done his research well which portrays a factual reality of significant underperformance ( with likely more of the same to come ) which largely is built on myopic dysfunction

I don’t know whether it’s lip service or not but I’ve had people that count at RA tell me insofar as they are concerned they start looking more seriously at 18 up. It’s why you have guys like Joe Cotton on tour at the moment ( 2nds at a GPS School 2 years ago ) and Issac Henry as the next back in if he’s needed

A lot of these boys are going to have to start again next year and also at U19 NRC level

Take that any way you want but that’s a stated position.

Is there continuing sincerity in that ? I guess we’ll see

 

[Cancelled Account]

You talk in riddles. It amuses me when people say they know people in high places.

Understanding the content of the article is one thing, but endorsing the content is another.

 

[Garry Owens]

Nah not me Bob

I’m more a Friends in Low Places kind of guy - like Garth Brooks

But riddle me this .....have you got a read on IGS’s Dark Horse pack yet ?

I’m guessing you finally have an informed opinion from seeing them a few weeks ago at TSS ?

 

[Lute]

Mate this is a massive problem and not one that NRL are ignorant to or taking lightly. There are many closed door discussions that have been in effect for the past 12 months. On top on this, many clubs have invested in professional advice such as physiologist and medical practitioners to have on hand. Not elitist. A real problem.

What I was trying to say is you seem to saying that RA and QRU are producing such a good product when in fact it’s more like the opposite .

 

[Cancelled Account]

RL is winning the battle of the codes, and what we see from a spectators point of view is highly paid players getting the big crowds in comparison to rugby. It screams success. But on the flip side the statistics show destruction of some players on the way.
Don’t get me wrong RA needs a shake up and a clean out. In the past 8 years poor decisions have had massive detriment to the game. There needs to be more money coming in so that smart investment is directed at growing the numbers in rugby. We need the money first, and the only way for that to happen is at the top end which is RA. Recruitment and retaining good talent is governed by the dollars. QRU appears to sign fewer numbers on a decent contract, rather than the masses on a contract that holds no security or future. This is what I believe is managed well. Don’t get me wrong, the more money, the better opportunity for better sustainable recruitment. From a viewer of both codes, I would much prefer to have my son coming through the ranks in rugby. Rugby will become great again. We just need a change in power.

 

[Dean Moriarty]

I wonder what Pasitoa and Gordon camps are thinking about their deals right now ?

 

[Cancelled Account]

I believe both received pretty substantial RL and NZ rugby offers. Obviously their decision to stay in Australia to play rugby had its merits.Lets hope we can keep them.

 

[Garry Owens]

You believe ?

Friends in high places Bob ?

The difference in value between $300k and a junior development contract sure is a whole lotta love

I’m calling bullshit though on the basis that there is no romance without finance

 

[Lute]

RL is winning the battle of the codes, and what we see from a spectators point of view is highly paid players getting the big crowds in comparison to rugby. It screams success. But on the flip side the statistics show destruction of some players on the way.
Don’t get me wrong RA needs a shake up and a clean out. In the past 8 years poor decisions have had massive detriment to the game. There needs to be more money coming in so that smart investment is directed at growing the numbers in rugby. We need the money first, and the only way for that to happen is at the top end which is RA. Recruitment and retaining good talent is governed by the dollars. QRU appears to sign fewer numbers on a decent contract, rather than the masses on a contract that holds no security or future. This is what I believe is managed well. Don’t get me wrong, the more money, the better opportunity for better sustainable recruitment. From a viewer of both codes, I would much prefer to have my son coming through the ranks in rugby. Rugby will become great again. We just need a change in power.

Fair statement...but....fewer decent contracts have a lot to do with fewer teams , not good management

 

[Lute]

Fair statement.but..fewer decent contracts have a lot to do with fewer teams , not good management

RL is winning the battle of the codes, and what we see from a spectators point of view is highly paid players getting the big crowds in comparison to rugby. It screams success. But on the flip side the statistics show destruction of some players on the way.
Don’t get me wrong RA needs a shake up and a clean out. In the past 8 years poor decisions have had massive detriment to the game. There needs to be more money coming in so that smart investment is directed at growing the numbers in rugby. We need the money first, and the only way for that to happen is at the top end which is RA. Recruitment and retaining good talent is governed by the dollars. QRU appears to sign fewer numbers on a decent contract, rather than the masses on a contract that holds no security or future. This is what I believe is managed well. Don’t get me wrong, the more money, the better opportunity for better sustainable recruitment. From a viewer of both codes, I would much prefer to have my son coming through the ranks in rugby. Rugby will become great again. We just need a change in power.

It’s not rugby I’m knocking, it’s the chest puffing about how great the QRU and Ra are and putting Rugby on a high pedestal,what fun would have a certain teacher/coach have had if he had gone to Palm Beach instead of Kings