Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
A missed conversion is always worth 2 points.
A missed penalty may be worth 3. But it may change the course of the game. So you can't count past the first one.
Pumas vs Wallabies - Sunday 9th October @ Twickenham
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A missed conversion is always worth 2 points.
A missed penalty may be worth 3. But it may change the course of the game. So you can't count past the first one.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
We'll just have to disagree, and maybe never get to resolve the issue if Poey isn't fit for the EOYT and not available for the whole of 2017. Someone will inevitably make the No 8 spot theirs, I think.
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Train Without a Station
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So Wamberal if I have interpreted this correctly, you are saying:
That whilst Argentina missed 3 shots (2 penalties and a conversion) they haven't necessarily left 8 points on the field. As if each penalty shot had hit the post, been collected and scored under the posts, they have potentially left up to 16 points on the field as a result of kicking accuracy!?
That whilst Argentina missed 3 shots (2 penalties and a conversion) they haven't necessarily left 8 points on the field. As if each penalty shot had hit the post, been collected and scored under the posts, they have potentially left up to 16 points on the field as a result of kicking accuracy!?
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TOCC
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I think this thread just jumped the shark
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
No what Wamberal & Pfitzy are saying is that if he kicked the first one then the restart would have been a kick off from the half way instead of a 22 drop out and the whole shape of the remaining 75 minutes (or whatever) would have been completely different, so they may not have even had an opportunity for the other 5 missed points. We may have won by 50. Or they may have beaten us. We'll never know.
Sliding doors..
EDIT: the first one was actually the conversion so the restart would have been the same. However the ball would have been retrieved from a different spot so it wouldn't have been exactly the same from that point on. You get the gist
Sliding doors..
EDIT: the first one was actually the conversion so the restart would have been the same. However the ball would have been retrieved from a different spot so it wouldn't have been exactly the same from that point on. You get the gist
Scoey
Tony Shaw (54)
Our discipline lately (read the last year or so) has really pissed me off. I don't know where it's coming from but it's piss poor and costing us more games than it's winning.
I get the feeling that it is by choice/design and we are trying to be more confrontational but we are just coming across as a bunch of guys who are trying to win the fight because we are struggling to win the game.
All through my playing days and now as a spectator, I've held that the best approach to the game is playing with a halo on your head. What we are doing just smacks of a bunch of guys who don't think their Rugby ability is enough to win matches. /rant
Conversion successful or not doesn't make any difference where a ball's retrieved from, the ball boys put a replacement ball on the centre line for the next phase of play. Missed or not conversions don't affect the flow of subsequent play one iota, penalties do.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I think our discipline is a concern, like many here. Test matches are hard enough to win without giving points away. Now granted those cards were a little soft, but nevertheless if you don't whack a guy around the chops you remove the opportunity to give any points away. I like the intent to be more physical and confrontational, but at times we're letting the enthusiasm to smash blokes get in the way of skill execution. I'd like to think that Cheika and co are working on that. When the Tahs were at their best under Cheika they played a hard, fast and direct style of footy with a high amount of skill to go with it, hopefully we can emulate that at test level and stay on the right side of refs.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I have a feeling like Cheika's influence around aggression is rubbing off on the players the wrong way. Cheika always wants to instil the "never take a backwards step" mentality - fair enough.
But our players seem to take it the wrong way and forget that it needs to be controlled aggression. Aggression should not compromise discipline. Moore running into every niggle a prime example.
We really are missing strong leaders on the field in this regard, you'd imagine John Eales' worth coming into the fold in a matter like this.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
OK I'm not going to argue that point because it's petty and I agree by and large and when I wrote the comment I had in my mind that the first miss was a penalty attempt (as per my edited comment).
HOWEVER! Foley may have arrived at the centre a few seconds earlier or later due to a slightly different trajectory when attempting the charge down, and subsequently struck the kick off differently, etc, etc
. But we'll never know!
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
Except that they are all short and we would get destroyed in the most important set piece, the lineout, and it certainly would not help our scrum either.
It just cannot work. The old adage that a good big man will almost always beat a good small man stands true. There is rarely room for two shorties in a back row and pretty much never room enough for three, in test rugby anyway.
Twoilms
Trevor Allan (34)
Exactly. A 7 is meant to push the envelope. Always use McCaw as the model. Guy was eternally offside - best bloody 7 there has ever been.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
If he keeps up the way he's going Coleman will have destroyed all yellow card records before him anyway!
tragic
John Solomon (38)
Why?
He's still the 2nd best 7 in Australia regardless of his versatility.
Which means those who don't support the two 7s concept and feel it leaves too many deficiencies exposed elsewhere still have justification.
Perhaps more so with Timanis game on the w/e.
tragic
John Solomon (38)
It's not great but I think tahs supporters have a much higher tolerance for one of their own pushing the boundaries of the laws than a 10 they love to hate..
Twoilms
Trevor Allan (34)
Hes been the best 7 this year
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