Plumtree has a whinge

[No4918]

http://www.superxv.com/news/super15_rugby_news.asp?id=34030

Looks like he is really searching for excuses. Didn't see the Bulls game but i expected good things of the Sharks this year, not so sure now.

And would love to know what relevance crowd figures has on the quality of rugby?

 

[qwerty51]

Not this rubbish again, there's 0 facts behind a South African derby being more intense than a NZ or Aus one. They're always going to get better crowds with a higher population and popularity of the code over there. I dare say we actually get better crowds if you factor in population and popularity.

 

[Bardon]

No matter what format you have there will always be someone who compains about it especially when it's a ring fenced competition. If the format was changed where you played each franchise once making 4 local derbies and 10 games against the 5 franchises from each of the other 2 nations you can be sure someone would complain that there is too much travelling or that they don't make as much money. Can't please everyone.

I like the HEC format and I think one of the reasons there's very few complaints about it is that teams aren't gauranteed a spot every year so they're just happy to be in it.

 

[Blue]

Plumtree is a bit of a joke. Worst coach to hang on to his job for that long. With the players and the money at the Sharks he should have done better by no.w Year after year he failed to recruit in important positions.

He plays an outdated game plan that was started by Ian Macintosh at the Sharks in the 80s with a few minor tweaks.

Nobody to blame but him. If he doesn't;t have all his big guns on the park the game plan does not work and he is unable to change it.

 

[spooony]

He is a kiwi. They like to search for excuses if they fail tactically

 

[Toddy]

He is a kiwi. They like to search for excuses if they fail tactically

Careful there

 

[fatprop]

You would think with all that "intense" rugby that the Boks side would just walk by all the Aus & Kiwi sides

But they don't

 

[barbarian]

Nah FP that's because they go SO hard against one another they have nothing left in the tank to play the other teams.

 

[spooony]

Careful there

lol
Really do you take things seriously some mugs who call themselves coaches say? Snor had a lot of excuses cause he was crap.

 

[spooony]

You would think with all that "intense" rugby that the Boks side would just walk by all the Aus & Kiwi sides

But they don't

I do not call running against brick walls intense. Stupidity or a coach out of ideas yes but not intense

 

[PaarlBok]

Plumtree have a valid point and one I am going on for ages since this S15 format started way back when. Sure we dont want to go back when it all started.

 

[spooony]

S15, S14, S12 or S10?

Sure a 8 hour flight flight to Australia is piss. Lets play more of them over there and end up with 1 or 2 wins out 6 or 7....

 

[PaarlBok]

S15, S14, S12 or S10?

Sure a 8 hour flight flight to Australia is piss. Lets play more of them over there and end up with 1 or 2 wins out 6 or 7....

I am not sure what you are talking about?

The biggest differense is that SA plays CC rugby and this conferense S15 makes it even more games against each other.
Sport24

Plumtree: Too many derbies

2012-02-26 15:42


Cape Town - Sharks coach John Plumtree believes there are too many derby games on the current Super Rugby schedule.

"We're playing way too often against the other top South African teams," Plumtree told the Rapport newspaper after his side went down 18-13 to the Bulls in their season-opener at Loftus Versfeld on Friday.

"It wears the players down to play against each other so often. For SANZAR it's obviously fantastic because it boosts revenue.

"Just look at the crowd that was here tonight," he said, referring to the 46 000-strong Loftus crowd.

"You'll never achieve that with the derby games in Australia and New Zealand. The standard of their derbies isn't nearly as intense as ours here in South Africa."

Plumtree feels the South African players play each other into the ground during all these games, and by the time the international season starts, the players are either injured or burnt out.

 

[qwerty51]

Plumtree have a valid point and one I am going on for ages since this S15 format started way back when. Sure we dont want to go back when it all started.

What valid point does he have? Where's the evidence that SA derbies are more intense than the others?

 

[spooony]

I am not sure what you are talking about?

The biggest differense is that SA plays CC rugby and this conferense S15 makes it even more games against each other.
Sport24

SA teams see games in SA as points. It is easier to win away games against teams from your own country. Away wins is vital in the S15 and its harder to do it in Australasia. So you set your targets to win games away against local teams. He is a coach. Who told him to go play bumper car rugby by running into brick walls for 80 minutes? No one else told him to do it. He decided to play like that himself. In the Currie Cup we had players going at each other home and away against each other and they survive. They have been surviving for year after year since the Currie Cup started. I don't know but since rugby has become a professional game players has become little girls bitching and moaning about everything. They must shut up and play cause they get fat checks for it.

 

[Blue]

Plum is getting his excuses in early.

Someone else said it but I fear I have been taken in too early by the renewed Sharks hype.

On the whole I don't buy that the SA derbies are more intense. However, would it be fair to say that there is very little needle in say a Rebels vs Reds game? Very little history of those players wanting to knock each other senseless? I guess it's debatable whether the history matters at all.

 

[qwerty51]

Reds lost one game to non-Australian opposition, the Hurricanes of all teams. They lost to the Brumbies and Tahs. The other Brumbies and Tahs games were very close and both Force games were close. Total myth that Australian derbies lack intensity or are easy opposition. They mean as much to the players as your derbies mean to the players, pride, national positions and history is on the line.

 

[spooony]

Reds lost one game to non-Australian opposition, the Hurricanes of all teams. They lost to the Brumbies and Tahs. The other Brumbies and Tahs games were very close and both Force games were close. Total myth that Australian derbies lack intensity or are easy opposition. They mean as much to the players as your derbies mean to the players, pride, national positions and history is on the line.

They do not mean it like that. What they mean is the style of play. Our style is a bit different if not the opposite of yours. We have 2 packs of 800kg + forwards bashing at one another for 80 minutes and not much backline invention like Australian teams play. Our teams like goofing it out with the forwards running into brick walls for 80 minutes. The closest teams that normally try and open games up are Freestate and WP. WP always had a tough running flyhalf. It was only with Louis Koen they started to play the kicking one. Van Straaten although a good kicker he was hard as nails and a inside center but a strong powerful runner. Flyhalfs like that died out around the country unfortunately. Last good one was Henry Honniball and with a gem like him we did not run into walls but went thru gaps and ran around them till that 18 game winning streak came to a end. Then we went back to bumper car rugby and it all went back to shit.

 

[qwerty51]

So you're saying your collisions are bigger? What a load of crap.

Must I remind you our derbies are generally dour affairs as well.

 

[spooony]

So you're saying your collisions are bigger? What a load of crap.

Must I remind you our derbies are generally dour affairs as well.

No not saying that. You guys do not play silly bumper car rugby like we do. So we have big forwards keep on running into big forwards for almost 80 minutes. The you get the blokes ruffing one another up were the ref can't see in the bottom of that maul. Our derbies they want to kill each other basically because when we were in isolation there was these rivalries that was build which you still get today. We did not have international rugby and rivalries was the closest thing we got. If any team play against The Bulls then a WP supporter will not support the Bull but rather the other team does not matter who or where they from.

Basically they want to knock the shit out of each other and you get a lot of niggles during the match. To really see what I mean just watch WP vs NTVL Currie Cup matches from the 80's and so on. It is like Liverpool and Man United games between players and fans.