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Phil Mooney goooooooonnnnee

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Chilla Wilson (44)
They should have kept Mooney on as backs coach or skills as they call it these days.

McCall needs to build a real coaching unit eg.

Head coach/ Forwards coach- Mckenzie, Horward or Knuckles
Backs coach/skills coach-Phil Mooney
Defence -John Muggleton

And have the ARU loan out Noriego or pay Alec Evans for some scrum coaching

I can understand sacking Mooney from headcoach (continued to pick Rod Davies & Blair Conner that's 1 good enough reason alone) but I still think he has a lot to offer & learn as a coach of pro rugby.
 

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Peter Sullivan (51)
I think that he did have talent playing for him. talent wise QLD still had a great team but he could not bring the best out of his players, an example of this is Quade Cooper, almost every poster on this forum has commented how Dingo brings out the best in Cooper- another way of looking at is that Cooper has the talent and Mooney was unable to bring it out.

QLD needs an independent talent scouting and contracting unit that secures junior talent from 15 years old and not let other states get a look in. If another franchise want some of our talent then make them pay for it so we always have a number of up and comers coming through.
 
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Spook

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Read somewhere than one Reds player(gee I wonder who that could be...) put 7kgs of FAT on during the middle of the S14 and yet wasn't dropped out of the squad. Maa'afu put on weight at the Brumbies but they didn't let him near this squad this year until he worked it off. Need to set higher standards at the Reds.
 

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John Eales (66)
All these comments about Mooney may be right but I feel that this thread wouldn't exist if the Reds had some decent forwards with a bit of ticker.
 
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rugbywhisperer

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Well I'm way too old to make a curtain call and certainly not for any team that doesn't have blue as it's primary colour.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Eddie Jones has his 5 cents worth:





September 12, 2009 12:00am

IT has become the pattern at the Reds. In comes a new chairman with a new power base and the need for change - rather than to develop - is sought.

Coach Phil Mooney is the casualty this time. Phil has been a loyal, honest and competent servant of Reds rugby. Phil has developed many good young players.

He had started to develop a playing style that was attractive. With time and smart recruitment of players it looked like it could develop into a winning style.

I signed with the Reds in February, 2006. By the time I started in June, 2006, the chairman, chief executive and high-performance manager had changed and the promise of extra funds to buy much-needed players also evaporated under the Queensland sun.

At the end of a poor 2007, then-chairman Peter Lewis and I had a good chat and decided it was in the best interests not to continue with me as coach. I don't believe I coached well and I admit it.

I told Peter the Reds needed a coach with patience and nurturing skills who could develop the team over the next five years. I still believe that's how long it will take.

There are some things that are absolutely non-negotiable in creating a winning team.

You need a stable administration that is well resourced and has the same vision for the team as the coaches and players. To win the Super 14 you generally need 10 frontline international players. Just look at the Springboks at the Bulls.

Then you need to develop a strong team culture based on winning behaviour and for the team to have a distinctive colour about it, whether it be defence like the Crusaders or sustained attack like the Brumbies.

New chairman Rod McCall has shown himself to be decisive but by his statements he doesn't understand the Reds squad is not strong enough to win a Super 14.

Money is needed to identify, retain and recruit better players. Will McCall be able to do this?

He needs to appoint a coach for the next five years.

Ewen McKenzie, Michael Foley and David Nucifora all probably want it. McKenzie has the best track record. Foley is technically the best forwards coach in Australia while Nucifora did himself no favours with his coaching of the Australian-20s team in Japan.

I would appoint Ewen as director of rugby, Foley as the team coach and tell Wallabies assistant Richard Graham to forget about the Western Force assistant's job and coach the team he loves.

With those men, stable administration and money, the Reds can win in the next five years.
 

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Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Lee Grant said:
All these comments about Mooney may be right but I feel that this thread wouldn't exist if the Reds had some decent forwards with a bit of ticker.

Geez, who's responsible for recruitment and selection? :nta:
 
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rugbywhisperer

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That is probably one of the sanest and best comments by Fast eddie.
Qld have for too long been driven by immediate results and are not prepared to nurture and build - they say they are but history and mass sackings and resignation say they aren't.
If they are going to succeed, stability and PATIENCE are required above all else -
what we have here is same old same - nothing will change at Herston until the attitude and impatience change.
 
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TOCC

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i just dont think the coaching setup was right, QLD made the right choice by promoting Mooney to head coach, but they needed to give him experienced support staff, a coaching set up with Foley as forwards coach and -insert name- as backs coach.

Mooney concedes that hindsight would have been useful, which indicates he knows he made the wrong decisions at times, i just wonder how many of those times could have been solved if he had a experienced coaching team around him.
 

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Bob Davidson (42)
As a Reds supporter I just want to see an end to all this crap! 2010 will be a real test of faith for supporters, that's for sure.
 

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Rocky Elsom (76)
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spectator said:
As a Reds supporter I just want to see an end to all this crap! 2010 will be a real test of faith for supporters, that's for sure.

agreed. I wouldve preferred it that Phil stayed, got some experienced support and was able to turn things around. But that's some big ifs.

The strength of a decision is in the outcome, so much will come with who is appointed. It would seem it will be Link.

I can understand the reasoning around getting an established coach in there to put off the threat of the 5th team, but I never thought that should be your #1 reason to make coaching appointments.

Link will want his team of four. I wonder who they will be? Perhaps Bird Tynaman (spelling) will get a call. I would like to see Steve <Meehan back in town as well.

JUst one thing. Hurry up!
 

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Bill Watson (15)
This is crazy, have the reds got any staff left from last Super 14. Has anyone other than the players survived this, and if not why weren't any of the players held accountable for their performances. Why did pretty much every single player keep their contract? You can't blame all of what's happened on the coaches and admin staff.

This is all getting pretty annoying. Any news on when they are picking a new coach? I'm not sold on Ewen but there's not really any other options, or are there?
 
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TOCC

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i agree cheezel, some of the players should have been held accountable, then again many of these players were arguably to young and inexperienced to be expected of much.. .

players who IMO should have there contracts looked at and told to pick up there game or get the chop:

Vaalu, Latham gave him a massive wrap but i havent seen anything come of it
Saia Fainga'a, mediocre all season
Leroy Houston, enough has been said on him
Rodney Davies, apart from speed what skills does he have?
Jack Kennedy, prop is a hard position rate, but he doesnt seem to make the cut
Laurie Weeks, similar story to Jack
Greg Holmes, he seemed to regress this year
Ezra Taylor, i think he was a bad signing to start with
 
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apparently 20 applicants for the vacated reds coaching role, McKenzie is also back in Australia
 

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Bill Watson (15)
I wouldn't have thought so many would have been interested, who do you think they all are? I'd say it's going to be an established and proven S14 coach rather than an up-and-comer.

• McKenzie
• Louden
• Foley (is he going to be allowed?)
• Nucifora????
 
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TOCC

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cheezel said:
I wouldn't have thought so many would have been interested, who do you think they all are? I'd say it's going to be an established and proven S14 coach rather than an up-and-comer.

• McKenzie
• Louden
• Foley (is he going to be allowed?)
• Nucifora????

NSWRU have come out and said they wont release him, he does have a release clause in his contract at the end of every season, but that time had lapsed for this year and he cant use it.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
Re-reading the interview above, I'd say McKenzie will be the coach. Can I get odds on this somewhere?
 
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