PdV: The World is Against US (including the IRB)

[mark_s]

Fatprop, prior to this year, when was the last time you saw an SA prop get pushed back over his second rower?

 

[fatprop]

Fatprop, prior to this year, when was the last time you saw an SA prop get pushed back over his second rower?

Last RWC they were on roller skates against England

In the S14, they stand up under pressure. Just watch some of the Tahs games

They are all generally big guys who don't get low, it is the easiest way for them to alleviate pressure, and if they come up as a unit, like a collapse, it is usually reset.

 

[PaarlBok]

That would be good if you could !

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Aussies kry nie krediet vir skrums’
2009-09-09 00:27

BLOEMFONTEIN - Die Springbok-kaptein John Smit is goed genoeg om op vaskopstut te sak – en die Wallabies se kragmanne verdien meer krediet as wat hulle kry.

Só meen die voormalige Bok-stutte Os du Randt en CJ van der Linde.

Smit se skrumwerk loop tans onder kritiek deur nadat die Aussie-stut Benn Robinson (loskop) hom in die Bok-nederlaag in die Drienasies-reeks laat knor het.

Die Nieu-Seelanders het ook aangedui dat hulle die Bokke Saterdag in Hamilton in dié afdeling gaan teiken.

Volgens Du Randt is die Aussies se Robinson beter as wat mense dink.

“Hy is in hierdie stadium seker jou sterkste skrummende loskop.”

Van der Linde meen ook die Aussies word onderskat.

“Daar bestaan ’n wanpersepsie oor die Australiërs se skrumwerk.

“Hulle het oor die laaste vier tot vyf jaar baie verbeter. Daar moet meer krediet aan hulle gaan as die kritiek wat John ontvang.”

Albei meen ook Smit kan die mas opkom, maar het tyd nodig.

“Dit gaan tyd neem voordat die wêreld John as ’n vaskop van wêreldgehalte beskou. Hy het egter reeds teen die Britse en Ierse Leeus bewys hy is ’n sterk skrumwerker,” sê Van der Linde.

Du Randt sê Smit kan net sóveel in een jaar vermag.

“Ek dink hy is goed genoeg. Elke keer wat hy swaar kry, is dit wanneer hy moeg was en dan nie met sy knieë crouch nie. Hy is dan te hoog en kom nie onder die ou in nie. Elke keer wat hy ’n bietjie rus, crouch hy laer, is sy liggaamspostuur reg en skrum hy beter.

“Hier en daar gaan hy ’n ou kry wat hom druk, maar dis maar hoe die voorrye werk.”

Van der Linde glo Smit behoort genoeg skietgoed vir die Kiwi’s te hê.

“John het in die twee tuis-toetse teen die All Blacks gewys wat hy kan doen.

“Toe was Tony Woodcock nie juis ’n faktor nie. Sy tegniek lyk reg en hy behoort sy man te staan.”

Basically they say John get critized for the wrong reason and in stead of giving the Aussies scrum and Robinson credit.

Os claim that John usually start good but get found out when he tired down and dont get low enough when he scrums and allowed Robinson to get under him.

Scrumming and propping is about time and he'll learn as he go along.

 

[mark_s]

Fatprop, prior to this year, when was the last time you saw an SA prop get pushed back over his second rower?

Last RWC they were on roller skates against England

In the S14, they stand up under pressure. Just watch some of the Tahs games

They are all generally big guys who don't get low, it is the easiest way for them to alleviate pressure, and if they come up as a unit, like a collapse, it is usually reset.

I see a big difference from a scrum being on roller skates vs a prop being elevated off the ground. But anyway I will pay more attention to see if I agree with our view on SA that the boks props rise under pressure.

 

[Pfitzy]

Yeah it does indicate more that as a unit they're OK, but the prop on that side (and occasionally the hooker) aren't quite thinking straight.

Lee - its bloody difficult for props sometimes to pick out a hooker having trouble. Usually it manifests itself in the prop having an issue.

 

[PaarlBok]

What a turn around and comeback from both Snor and John Smit. All this talk up from last week turned into solid gold. :yay

 

[Spook]

What a turn around and comeback from both Snor and John Smit. All this talk up from last week turned into solid gold. :yay

PB, you ranted and raved about Aussies criticising refs and you were critical of those who made any comments about refs or officials.....and yet you condone and even celebrate PdVs behaviour. How do you weigh this up?

 

[PaarlBok]

Bliksem Spook maybe I put it out wrong. I hate people use the ref excuse before the game is even played and I also state blaming a ref if your team lost sound like sour grapes. Try it it work well for me. This have nothing to do with Snors qoute or the way the media lot made up their own story but having won against the All Blacks this weekend I have to agree a bit with him. Vokken joke the citing of Mossie compare what have happen with Giteau on Newlands or with some of the charges on Habana and not even a card. Also some scetchy decissions going the way of the All Blacks for penalties, exct. I dont go in that shite because I know a ref is only a human and make mistakes and in the end they tend to cancel out. Pretty sure Moses and Gagger would have point them all out if it was the Wallabies who played in test. Simple you lose your eye on the ball when you go in that kak to be honest. I'll rather take a loss on the chin and move on and if you lot dont like it then its your problem.

Look at TSF they want to querry Frans 60 metre kick, FFS.

 

[Scotty]

I think you might have missed Spook's point, PB.

You didn't like it when we were critizising the referee after a loss.

PDV did exactly that after losing in Brisbane and after losing the scrums in Perth.

I guess Spook is asking why you don't critisize him for this same issue?

 

[PaarlBok]

Well if he was a poster here and can read what I write I would do it. But go back to Spooks first post and they way I understand it is that he is critizing the system. He is not allowed to critizise a ref after a game as far as I know and he tried the channel but it obvious dont work after Brisbane or wont work after Hamilton aswell.

We will see the way the scrums works this weekend. I for one believe your scrum is better then all and the sundry qoute Smit as a kak scrummer and he just prove it right on the weekend.

Now its time for Robinson to prove me right. If he dont on the weekend than juast maybe Snor is right.