one of my finer moments

[RugbyReg]

As a ref I had a major misgiving while watching this, and so it proved after consulting my law book: Law 12 Knock On or Throw Forward, "A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward. 'Forward' means towards the opposing team's dead ball line." If the ball going forward from BOD was unintentional he would've been in the clear. But as Brian did the throwing, he's buggered. Whistle, penalty back here.

Still it was nice to watch.

its the Dally Messenger rule. Dally used to throw the ball over the head of the opposing defenders, run through and catch and race off down the field. Till they changed the rules to make it an intentional throw forward.

Lee, is that how you remember it?

 

[rugbywhisperer]

Gentlemen - it is not a trwrow forward or a forward pass if the player do did the act re-catches (regains control) the ball before it touches another player or the ground.
Quote - "A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it."

And - as I said before, if he is not in posession of the ball, a player running in front of him is not obstructing a tackle.

Rest assured, they (IRB) will address this.

 

[Pfitzy]

*ahem* I may have been hasty in calling it a knock-on - clearly its a throw forward. The full description of Law 12 is:

Law 12 Knock on or Throw forward

DEFINITION KNOCK ON
A knock on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.

‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.

EXCEPTION
Charge down. If a player charges down the ball as an opponent kicks it, or immediately after the kick, it is not a knock on even though the ball may travel forward.

DEFINITION THROW FORWARD
A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward. ‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.

EXCEPTION
Bounce forward. If the ball is not thrown forward but it hits a player or the ground and bounces forward, this is not a throw forward.

The prosecution rests, yer honour.


Another example - I get a pass over my head and juggle it as I run onto the path of the ball. I get tackled legally because I'm deemed in possession of the ball, despite the fact I never gained "control" of it. If a team mate blocked someone from tackling me, despite my precarious position, that's obstruction.

BOD is a cheat.

 

[RugbyReg]

Gentlemen - it is not a trwrow forward or a forward pass if the player do did the act re-catches (regains control) the ball before it touches another player or the ground.

nonsense

 

[rugbywhisperer]

Again I respectfully disagree with my learned colleagues.
Watch again - the ball did not go forwards out of his hands. That is the ruling of the forward pass etc - the ball may travel in a forward direction as it did however it did not travel forward out of his hands.

As a referee I would penalise any player who tackled a player who was juggling the ball. The play does not have posession.
Secondly, he was not juggling the ball. BOD had passed the ball and was therefore not in posession of the ball - no one was in posession of the ball.
Assume BOD kicked the ball over the hed of the team mate - would obstruction still be ruled - I think not.
Because he passed the ball you all are getting bent out of shape and also because it is BOD.

He didn't throw or pass the ball forward and there was no obstruction.

 

[RugbyReg]

so can a player run to the line, throw the ball over the top, run through (untouched) catch the ball and continue?

 

[Sully]

Gentlemen - it is not a trwrow forward or a forward pass if the player do did the act re-catches (regains control) the ball before it touches another player or the ground.
Quote - "A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it."

And - as I said before, if he is not in posession of the ball, a player running in front of him is not obstructing a tackle.

Rest assured, they (IRB) will address this.

I'm not getting into a argument over whether a ball is thrown forward or not. But I do know you can't purposely throw the ball forward and catch it again. If you could do it it would have been done years ago. I'm not going to go read the Laws to find the appropriate paragraph but I would assume it is covered by the forward pass law if not then the spirit of the game should cover it.

 

[cyclopath]

All the forward or not talk is redundant - the player to whom he dummied and ran behind clearly takes out a defender.
As I said in my original post, if a SH player did it, the commentators would have cried blue murder, but because it's BOD, they got all turgid in the commentary box. I was only fishing when I suggested a forward pass to himself.

 

[Lee Grant]

Well fished.

 

[Pfitzy]

Watch again - the ball did not go forwards out of his hands. That is the ruling of the forward pass etc - the ball may travel in a forward direction as it did however it did not travel forward out of his hands.

Watch again - of this clip, seconds 12-16. He lets go of the ball before the 22m line, and catches it on the other side. There is no clearer example of a throw forward in that clip at least. "Forward" equating to towards the opposing team’s dead ball line

BOD is a cheat.

 

[Lindommer]

As a referee...

As a fellow referee, whispers, I would've pinged him. And I also reckon this will clear the matter of a "throw forward" as it'll be brought up at future referee courses and workshops for all to see and discuss.

 

[Scarfman]

Who's on our list?

1. R. McCaw
2. B. O'Dramaqueen
3. B. Botha
...

 

[rugbywhisperer]

There's just no pleasing some people :fishing

also and lindo you should be aware of this - the ruling on a forward pass or throw forward is how the ball exits the hands.
You will see many passes that go forward due to the forward motion of the player but if the ball leaves the hands NOT in a forward direction it is not deemed to be a forward pass or throw forward.