Number of tries scored by Maul 2015

[mst]

I suspect other teams will be better at stopping them too.
I would not be surprised if there is some serious discussion behind the scenes prior to the RWC about mauling - coaches will have a chance to raise concerns about various issues I would think, and the increase (seemingly) in maul tries won't slip under the radar. Particularly around the set-up, the initial sack / disrupt or even back-off / "non-contest", and the "contestability" of them once in motion. We're seeing the quick pass back from the catcher now to avoid the issue of the catcher being sacked (one of the few times it can be stopped), but the set-up then becomes suspect (obstruction) almost impossible to defend, and once you have a train of players 3-4 long and 2 wide, what can you legally do?
I'm not anti-mauls, by the way, but I think one of the basic tenets of rugby, being a contest for possession, needs to be upheld, and currently, it often is not.
I have little doubt it will be a contentious issue at the RWC, one way or the other.

I totally agree with what you are saying. I think the maul has its place in the game, but not in its current form.

But alas I think that "World Rugby" has been a bit slow to see this coming so it may be policed a little harder at the WC but the changes needed cant be made until post WC.

So I say play the whistle, it is what it is atm, and the Wallabies should arm themselves with every weapon available.

No such thing as an ugly WC win. The Pom's have proven that!

 

[cyclopath]

I totally agree with what you are saying. I think the maul has its place in the game, but not in its current form.

But alas I think that "World Rugby" has been a bit slow to see this coming so it may be policed a little harder at the WC but the changes needed cant be made until post WC.

So I say play the whistle, it is what it is atm, and the Wallabies should arm themselves with every weapon available.

No such thing as an ugly WC win. The Pom's have proven that!

Oh yeah, if everyone's doing it, we have to do it too, and well. No problem.
I was just putting my philosophical viewpoint out there.
At least with Fardy (likely) and Skelton (highly likely) in the starting pack, we have some good spoilers too.

 

[Gagger]

Information has come to GAGR indicating it will most definitely be reffed harder at the RWC. Being dependent on it would be a big mistake

 

[Brumby Runner]

Are you sharing that information with the rest of us @Gagger?

 

[Gagger]

Thought I just did!

 

[mst]

Information has come to GAGR indicating it will most definitely be reffed harder at the RWC. Being dependent on it would be a big mistake

Thought I just did!

Thanks. Confirms what was being eluded to in the press a couple weeks ago.

Just glad Australian Rugby hasn't done the usual idiocy of shooting itself in the proverbial foot via provincial one eyed short-sighted rants of a insecure unpatriotic minority in a world cup year like bringing unnecessary scrutiny to something that may have been a significant weapon to use to help achieve WC success, and benefit Australian Rugby overall.

That would add salt to wound of Australian Rugby, and the Wallabies who are already struggling to have much success, be secure financially and attract crowds. It would also be embarrassing to sponsors and make us a laughing stock internationally.

 

[Gagger]

Just glad Australian Rugby hasn't done the usual idiocy of shooting itself in the proverbial foot via provincial one eyed short-sighted rants of a insecure unpatriotic minority in a world cup year like bringing unnecessary scrutiny to something that may have been a significant weapon to use to help achieve WC success, and benefit Australian Rugby overall.

I'm trying to understand.

Are you saying that you don't want non Brumbies fans bitching about the maul because that would draw attention to its illegality and rob the Wallabies of the world cup, thereby sending Australian rugby broke?

 

[cyclopath]

I'm trying to understand.

Are you saying that you don't want non Brumbies fans bitching about the maul because that would draw attention to its illegality and rob the Wallabies of the world cup, thereby sending Australian rugby broke?

Evidence of our effluence.

 

[mst]

I'm trying to understand.

Are you saying that you don't want non Brumbies fans bitching about the maul because that would draw attention to its illegality and rob the Wallabies of the world cup, thereby sending Australian rugby broke?

A little extreme.

Bitch away. I find it interesting again it comes back to the provincial argument rather than the implications to the Wallabies.

Your comments provide the evidence of the engrained provincial before country attitude that the game in Australia as a whole is yet to resolve and is suffering because of.

I am pretty sure there is plenty to bitch about the Tah's swing arms, shoulders, injuries resulting from derbies due to there physicality etc etc. The list goes on but none of its aired publicly, (nor was SANZAR written to) and in parts its about protecting Wallaby players.

It must be a cultural thing as we saw at the start of the season the Chief's employed several interesting tactics that were borderline legal but in NZ, they were hailed as innovate. At no point did we hear NZ team criticise publicly etc etc even though it effected them.

So, how did the issues around the maul, and particularly the Brumbies maul gain attention? On the evidence available certainly doesn't indicate that it was case of thinking country before province in a year that the primary thought should be WC.

 

[mst]

Evidence of our effluence.

Apparently flush with it!

 

[Brumby Runner]

Thought I just did!

But what was the source, and what are the details, if any? That is, will it be the initial set up of the maul, the transferring of the ball to the back, the questionable binding, the non-maul and its ramifications, the defense coming in from the side, the pulling down of the maul etc? Many aspects that can be reffed harder. Just like to know if there has been any meat put on the bones of the claim that they will be reffed harder and the authority of the information.

 

[Gagger]

A little extreme.

Bitch away. I find it interesting again it comes back to the provincial argument rather than the implications to the Wallabies.

Your comments provide the evidence of the engrained provincial before country attitude that the game in Australia as a whole is yet to resolve and is suffering because of.

Too funny - I didn't even mention the brumbies before you went off on one.

My thinking is that this Super Rugby season quite a few teams have been allowed by refereeing to misuse the maul and that could well bite a number of us in the ass.

The provincial overlay was yours

 

[Gagger]

But what was the source, and what are the details, if any? That is, will it be the initial set up of the maul, the transferring of the ball to the back, the questionable binding, the non-maul and its ramifications, the defense coming in from the side, the pulling down of the maul etc? Many aspects that can be reffed harder. Just like to know if there has been any meat put on the bones of the claim that they will be reffed harder and the authority of the information.

Can't give you more except that have seen it in an email from a 'horses mouth'.

 

[mst]

Too funny - I didn't even mention the brumbies before you went off on one.

My thinking is that this Super Rugby season quite a few teams have been allowed by refereeing to misuse the maul and that could well bite a number of us in the ass.

The provincial overlay was yours

You may wish to re-read my comments. No mention of any province in relation to the maul except for this reference:

So, how did the issues around the maul, and particularly the Brumbies maul gain attention?

 

[cyclopath]

A little extreme.

Bitch away. I find it interesting again it comes back to the provincial argument rather than the implications to the Wallabies.

Your comments provide the evidence of the engrained provincial before country attitude that the game in Australia as a whole is yet to resolve and is suffering because of.

I am pretty sure there is plenty to bitch about the Tah's swing arms, shoulders, injuries resulting from derbies due to there physicality etc etc. The list goes on but none of its aired publicly, (nor was SANZAR written to) and in parts its about protecting Wallaby players.

It must be a cultural thing as we saw at the start of the season the Chief's employed several interesting tactics that were borderline legal but in NZ, they were hailed as innovate. At no point did we hear NZ team criticise publicly etc etc even though it effected them.

So, how did the issues around the maul, and particularly the Brumbies maul gain attention? On the evidence available certainly doesn't indicate that it was case of thinking country before province in a year that the primary thought should be WC.

But do you really think talk about mauls on a rugby forum will suddenly prick the consciousness of World Rugby to do something different with regards to officiating the maul at the RWC? Seriously? Because that's how your post read. Don't tell anyone, but more than a few TV commentators have been talking about them too. As have TV and print journos about the Tahs tactics (see Paul Cully this week).
Let's hope no-one elsewhere reads about the apparently shit scrummagers, pilferers, tacklers and kickers we have doing the rounds here. They might find our weaknesses!
It's an internet forum, FFS, it's what happens!
Besides, much of the discussion is around ALL the mauls, not just the Brumbies' ones, so cool your jets on throwing the "provincialism" canard in the mix.
In any event, I think it would be smart, not dumb, for Aus coaches to look at this before it potentially bites us on the arse at the RWC, if the notion that it will be closer scrutinised is true.

 

[Gagger]

Thanks. Confirms what was being eluded to in the press a couple weeks ago.

Just glad Australian Rugby hasn't done the usual idiocy of shooting itself in the proverbial foot via provincial one eyed short-sighted rants of a insecure unpatriotic minority in a world cup year like bringing unnecessary scrutiny to something that may have been a significant weapon to use to help achieve WC success, and benefit Australian Rugby overall.

 

[mst]

But do you really think talk about mauls on a rugby forum will suddenly prick the consciousness of World Rugby to do something different with regards to officiating the maul at the RWC? Seriously? Because that's how your post read. Don't tell anyone, but more than a few TV commentators have been talking about them too. As have TV and print journos about the Tahs tactics (see Paul Cully this week).
Let's hope no-one elsewhere reads about the apparently shit scrummagers, pilferers, tacklers and kickers we have doing the rounds here. They might find our weaknesses!
It's an internet forum, FFS, it's what happens!
Besides, much of the discussion is around ALL the mauls, not just the Brumbies' ones, so cool your jets on throwing the "provincialism" canard in the mix.
In any event, I think it would be smart, not dumb, for Aus coaches to look at this before it potentially bites us on the arse at the RWC, if the notion that it will be closer scrutinised is true.

I stand corrected. Obviously what has been said and done has had no "effluence".

I have no idea where the initial attention around the mauls came from. Pure coincidence about the timing of it being in the press and a topic of debate.

Can't give you more except that have seen it in an email from a 'horses mouth'.

 

[mst]

Pretty sure there are more supporters in the other 3 provinces that don't like particular teams mauls atm. Long bow?

 

[cyclopath]

I stand corrected. Obviously what has been said and done has had no "effluence".

I have no idea where the initial attention around the mauls came from. Pure coincidence about the timing of it being in the press and a topic of debate.

Once again, do you really believe this internet forum is significantly influencing rugby media and officialdom on this topic?
And the "effluence" line was a little in-joke.

 

[Gagger]

View attachment 6406 Pretty sure there are more supporters in the other 3 provinces that don't like particular teams mauls atm. Long bow?

You've lost me. Nothing in me starting this thread was about any particular provinces - you introduced that.

But your logic on the internet ruining a great advantage for the Wallabies is clearly flawed - it's already been rumbled. If anything the patriotic thing to do now (if we do have any effluence) is to ensure the Wallabies don't make the mistake of thinking this is an advantage.