NSW Waratahs v Qld Reds round 4 2009 official TYS thread

[fatprop]

You either score the try or the defenders get a free kick for not realising (as with Hynes)

agreed, it was completely bias by the ref. Good point fp!

:lmao: The challenge of typing one handed whilst on the phone and relying on Firefox's spell checker

You either score the try or the defenders get a free kick for not releasing (as with Hynes)

 

[RugbyReg]

You either score the try or the defenders get a free kick for not realising (as with Hynes)

agreed, it was completely bias by the ref. Good point fp!

:lmao: The challenge of typing one handed whilst on the phone and relying on Firefox's spell checker

You either score the try or the defenders get a free kick for not releasing (as with Hynes)

1800-TALK RUGBY? Dirty beast.

 

[Ash]

You either score the try or the defenders get a free kick for not releasing (as with Hynes)

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Not sure what rules of rugby you follow. Once you are off your feet and touching the ground you are tackled - which he was as his chest hit the ground then got driven up. Technically, he should have released instead of continuing to drive - this is the same as rolling technically. It will rarely be penalised though, and I have no real problem with it even though it was technically against the rules.

aw 15 Tackle: Ball carrier Brought to the Ground
DEFINITION
A tackle occurs when the ball carrier is held by one or more opponents
and is brought to ground.
A ball carrier who is not held is not a tackled player and a tackle has
not taken place.
Opposition players who hold the ball carrier and bring that player to
ground, and who also go to ground, are known as tacklers.
Opposition players who hold the ball carrier and do not go to ground
are not tacklers.

15.1 WHERE CAN A TACKLE TAKE PLACE
A tackle can only take place in the field of play.
15.2 WHEN A TACKLE CANNOT TAKE PLACE
When the ball carrier is held by one opponent and a team mate
binds on to that ball carrier, a maul has been formed and a tackle
cannot take place.
15.3 BROUGHT TO THE GROUND DEFINED
(a) If the ball carrier has one knee or both knees on the ground, that
player has been ?brought to ground?.
(b) If the ball carrier is sitting on the ground, or on top of another
player on the ground the ball carrier has been ?brought to ground?.

15.5 THE TACKLED PLAYER
(a) A tackled player must not lie on, over, or near the ball to prevent
opponents from gaining possession of it, and must try to make the
ball available immediately so that play can continue.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
(b) A tackled player must immediately pass the ball or release it. That
player must also get up or move away from it at once.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
(c) A tackled player may release the ball by putting it on the ground
in any direction, provided this is done immediately.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
(d) A tackled player may release the ball by pushing it along the
ground in any direction except forward, provided this is done
immediately.
Penalty: Penalty Kick

Continuing on:

(f) If a tackled player?s momentum carries the player into the in-goal,
the player can score a try or make a touch down.
(g) If players are tackled near the goal line, these players may
immediately reach out and ground the ball on or over the goal line
to score a try or make a touch down.

It definitely was not his own momentum - he was stopped.

From memory, his knees and chest hit the ground then he was driven. But I could be wrong, as his knees may not have hit the ground. Can't be bothered to check. But at the time, I thought it was rather borderline.

FYI: if I was the ref, I would've ruled the same way though.

 

[Ash]

BTW, if it was a maul, it maybe wouldn't have mattered.

(g) If the ball carrier in a maul goes to ground, including being on one
or both knees or sitting, the referee orders a scrum unless the ball
is immediately available.

I guess someone who can be bothered should really check if he had a knee on the ground. I thought he did, but now am not certain.

Either way, it's all in the past. Reds should've still been able to stop it and didn't. It was weak defence from the Reds and strong driving the the Tahs and they got rewarded.

 

[fatprop]

BTW, if it was a maul, it maybe wouldn't have mattered.

(g) If the ball carrier in a maul goes to ground, including being on one
or both knees or sitting, the referee orders a scrum unless the ball
is immediately available.

I guess someone who can be bothered should really check if he had a knee on the ground. I thought he did, but now am not certain.

Either way, it's all in the past. Reds should've still been able to stop it and didn't. It was weak defence from the Reds and strong driving the the Tahs and they got rewarded.

It is the difference between the rules and how they are applied. Pretty well every try where there is some battle over the ball could be deemed by the rules as on their knees and not releasing.

The reality is that they use the rule (f) to cover it.

 

[the gambler]

I remember paying careful attention at the time I watched it and his knee didn't hit the ground. His hand did but not his knees.

 

[Scarfman]

OK, I can't be arsed reading any of those rules, except to say that once you are tackled, you are allowed to place the ball immediately. You can lay it back, or plant it over the try line. I don't know which rule says that, or whether the rule book says that at all, but that's how it works.