NSW Schools - Trial Games and Selections 2013

[I like to watch]

Hugh, George, Lee, anyone know where the NSW teams are training this week? Last year it was Sydney Uni and Rat Park is it the same this year??

Depends on the coach.Last year the II"s coach was from Trinity,hence Uni.
I's coach was from St Augustines hence Rat Park.
I hope you have jagged a coach local to you!

 

[strokeside]

N1 and N2 players are to assemble at St Ignatius College Riverview at 10:00am on Sunday 23 June for team briefings and medicals. Players are to bring swimmers, towel, training gear with runners, and water bottle and lunch.

Thanks RM, I was wondering more about the weeks training other than todays get together.

 

[Roar]

Thanks RM, I was wondering more about the weeks training other than todays get together.

where ever they are it will be Wet, Wet, Wet, hope they keep warm. Great for the Ducks !

 

[Roar]

Hugh, George, Lee, anyone know where the NSW teams are training this week? Last year it was Sydney Uni and Rat Park is it the same this year??

My Mail is NSW 1s are training at Riverview until Syd. Uni dries out, which might not happen and the NSW 2s are training at Joeys. It sounds like both Teams will be both training at Uni but too wet at the moment there. Hope that helps

 

[It is what it is]

Yes. But.

About thirty years ago I had a conversation with an 18 year old who wanted to repeat Year 12 (no Pathways back then). He'd played Australian Schools and there was a big tour the next year, and he was young enough to be eligible. I told him he'd be crazy to do it. First, however high the standard you reach, it's still school football. If you're going to be an elite player, why linger on the springboard when you could be progressing through the club ranks, playing a higher standard? Plus, I said, what if you break your leg in the first game? That's a year of your life wasted.

I don't say that any of this applies to Williams. But it seems to me that sometimes the emphasis on representative football misses the point. It's a great credit to the boys who reach a high level of representation. But it needs to be kept in perspective. It's a shame Williams won't play rep football this year. But, longer term, he can still have a good career in the game if he keeps at it.

Is that kid from 30 years ago coaching in the NRL now?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Below are the Sydney Teams (can't find a NSW Country U16 2011 team list - Anyone?) who went to National Under 16's in 2011.
Some have left school. Those going to National Under 18 for NSW or Combined States and Shadow NSW are in red.

Just because a kid misses out in the Under 16's (or makes it) does not guarantee the same outcome for the Opens (Under 18s).

Sydney Juniors:
Cameron Orr (c) (Wests JRU), Left School
Nicholas Koutsoukis (Coogee JRU), NSW II
Fred Fiala-Motu (Coogee JRU),
Harrison Williams (Norths Pirates JRU), Unavailable Injured
Matthew Matson (Hills JRU),
David Morris (Norths Pirates JRU), NSW II
Jack McCalman (Beecroft-Cherrybrook JRU), NSW I
Malaki Afele (vc) (Merrylands JRU),
Mitchell Short (Hunters Hill JRU), NSW I
Jamieson Clark (vc) Merrylands JRU), Left School
Jacob Roberts (Merrylands JRU),
Jack Redden (Hunters Hill),
Trent Winterstein (Merrylands JRU), Left School
Ben Cotton (Dural JRU), NSW I
Harry Jones (Newport JRU), NSW I
Geoffrey Coffill (Wests JRU),
Jordan Winterburn (Norths Pirates JRU),
Brandon Paenga-Amosa (vc) (Southern Barbarians JRU), NSW II
Hector Titterton (Canterbury JRU),
Brent Whicker (Hawkesbury JRU),
Connor Finn (Canterbury JRU),
Christian Kagiassis (Canterbury JRU)
Matthew Crafts (Coogee JRU).


NSW Schools:
Matthew Sandell (vc) (St Joseph’s College), NSW I
Oliver Takiveikata (Westfield’s SHS),
Jarrod Matairavula (Pendle Hill High School),
Peter Maa (Westfield’s SHS),
Joshua Schwager (St Joseph’s College), Left School
Ben Stacey (The King’s School),
Lachlan Taylor (Glenwood HS),
Oliver Kamp (Scots College), Combined States
Anthony Vasilis (Randwick Boys HS), NSW II
Rory Davis (The King’s School), Combined States
Andrew Deegan (c) (St Joseph’s College), NSW I
Oscar Pople (Newington College), Left School
Taane Milne (Randwick Boys HS), NSW I
Tepai Moeroa (Newington), NSW I
Adrian Delore (Whitebridge HS), Combined States
Andrew Kellaway (Scot’s College), NSW I
Jack King (St Ignatius College),
Doug Streeter (Shore School), Shadow
George Prassas (Newington College),
Daniel Hughes (St Joseph’s College),
Joey Lussick (Newington College), NSW II
Alexander Lyons (St Ignatius College)
Hayden Cochrane (St Augustine’s College)
Lachlan Cannell (Killara HS) injured 2011, NSW I.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Where will they go?
Pretty sure I have got the School Year correct.

Colts 2014
NSW I Year 12 2013 to Colts 2014
1. Matthew SANDELL St Joseph’s College
3. Faaope SATUI Trinity Grammar
4. Lachlan CANNELL Newington
5 Joshua ANDERSON Oakhill College
7. Jack McCALMAN The Kings School
8. Rahboni WARREN-VOSAYACO Endeavour Sports High
9. Mitchell SHORT The Scots College
10.Andrew DEEGAN St Joseph’s College
11.Charlie TAYLOR St Augustines College
12.Tepai MOEROA Newington
13.Taane MILNE Newington
14.Harry JONES Barker College
15.Andrew KELLAWAY The Scots College
16.Jackson McLEAN Trinity Grammar
18.Will RIDLEY The Scots College
20.Billy FREEMAN Kinross Wolaroi
21.Michael KENNEDY St Ignatius College
22.Corey TULLOCH The Kings School
23.Ben COTTON Oakhill

Combined States (NSW) Yr 12 2013 to Colts 2014
3. Blake WALSH Merewether HS
5. Nic KELLAWAY The Scots College
6. Ollie KAMP The Scots College
8. Harry LIND Merewether HS
9 .Rory DAVIS The Kings School
13.Tom MOLLOY St Ignatius’ College
15.Adrian DELORE Whitebridge HS

NSW II Year 12 2013 to Colts 2014
1. Mesui TUFUI Newington
2. Nick KOUTSOUKIS Waverley
4. Anthony VASILIS Newington
5. Ned Hanigan St Josephs College
6. David MORRIS Newington
7. Brandon PAENGA-AMOSA Endeavour Sports High
9. Joey LUSSICK Newington
10. Jack CLANCY Shore
11. Tyson DAVIS Barker College
12. Will DAVIES The Kings School
14. Josh MITCHELL Newington
15. Nick CLANCY Shore
16. Nathan KELLY St Ignatius College
17. Jamaine CROSSLEY The Scots College
20. Arthur CURRIE St Gregorys Campbelltown
22. Matt ARNOLD St Augustines College
23. Elliot JENNINGS All Saints Maitland


"I'll be back"
Yr 11 2013 NSW I
2. Hosea FOTUKAVA St Ignatius College
6. Angus CRICHTON The Scots College
17.Matt SERHON Newington
19.James LOUGH St Augustines College

Yr 11 NSW II 2013
3. Vunipola FIFITA Newington
8. John WALKER St Augustines College
13. Henry HUTCHINSON St Ignatius College
18. Francis BROWN McKillop College Warnervale
19. Andrew VATUVEI Sarah Redfern High
21. Stephen KIRKBY Barker

Combined States (NSW) Yr 11 2013
2. Ed CRAIG Epping BHS
1. Peter IVIC Hunter SHS
14.Simon KENNEWELL Newington College


Edit: Updates made based on posts below.

 

[10to12]

Where will they go?23. Elliot JENNINGS All Saints Maitland


"I'll be back"
Yr 11 2013 NSW I
2. Hosea FOTUKAVA St Ignatius College
6. Angus CRICHTON The Scots College
17.Matt SERHON Newington
19.James LOUGH St Augustines College

Yr 11 NSW II 2013
3. Vunipola FIFITA Newington
8. John WALKER St Augustines College
13. Henry HUTCHINSON St Ignatius College
19. Andrew VATUVEI Sarah Redfern High
21. Stephen KIRKBY Barker

Combined States (NSW) Yr 11 2013
2. Ed CRAIG Epping BHS
1. Peter IVIC Hunter SHS

Thanks Hugh, great list .Simon Kennewell will also be back.
I was surprised at how few of the "Younsters" got through. Strong year 2013, so lets give it to those northerners.

 

[Rugby Mum]

Where will they go?

18 Francis Brown is currently in year 11 so he'll be back also

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Thanks Hugh, great list .Simon Kennewell will also be back.
I was surprised at how few of the "Younsters" got through. Strong year 2013, so lets give it to those northerners.

The 2011 U16 Cohort from Queensland really belted the NSW Schools and Juniors at the 2011 U16's. They should be strong this year as U18's.

 

[I like to watch]

HJ, I think most of the Qld cohort from 2011 are finished.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

That would be good.

The inconsistent form from the Queenslanders from U16 - U18 is explained away by the fact that at U18 you have to be at School, and many of the Qld cohort often finish school up to 12 months earlier than their age cohort in NSW.

Even so our "older" boys have been touched up in recent years by QLD "babes".

 

[I like to watch]

It's actually more than that.
Our 16yo's have 2 age groups in front of them,so that it's not common to have many 16yo in our opens.
As Qld only has 1 age group above them, it is much more common for their U16's to play in the Opens.
We are not playing their 16B's,but neither are we playing their best 16yo's.
I think!

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Like a lot of stuff from North of the Tweed, much doesn't make sense.

We also hamstring assembling our best team for U16 with the traditional gathering of Selection Masons from Country, Schools and Juniors.

 

[Sideline Eye]

Weather looking wet for the lead-up camp at Riverview, but looking good for the Champs next week:

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Certainly wouldn't want to be having the champs this week.

Looking good for next week.

 

[Sideline Eye]

IMHO I think that the little things that I have seen Craig do v the others has him as the smokey for 1's. I can't see anybody carrying on as per selection of a hooker last year in one of the teams Now THAT was fun to watch IIRC.

Brian, what was the stouch about, you refer to above? You now have me curious - I love a good selection stouch...!

 

[Brian Westlake]

Brian, what was the stouch about, you refer to above? You now have me curious - I love a good selection stouch.!

The old adage SE, not what you know, but.... etc. the lad that made it through has aspired to nothing

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Brian, what was the stouch about, you refer to above? You now have me curious - I love a good selection stouch.!

Then look no further than the Under 17's for Sydney Juniors.

Kids who can't be bothered turning up to state championships get to trial for the Sydney team.

The undefeated State championship winning team is rewarded with 10 selections in the Train on Squad.

The underperforming Eastwood team who lost two games is rewarded with 11 Selections in the Train on Squad.

The even poorer performing West Harbour team was rewarded with about 6 or 7 kids in the Train on Squad.

A relation of a highly placed Junior administrator is parachuted into the Train On Squad.

The final "must attend" trial has been rescheduled 3 times, once on the same day that 10 or so kids were involved in Schools championships, with the rest playing club games. Reschedule to version 2.0 by moving it to a Friday night after the kids have been at School Champs at Knox all day.

Version 3.0 is an absolute belter. Send an email to the players saying that the next trial will be on a Sunday but attach a notice to that email saying that trial will be on a Saturday.

Version 3.0 gets better in that boys such as Ed Craig from Combined States Schoolboys is expected to play on Saturday (turn up or else you will not be selected) in a rather pointless trial two days before attending National Schoolboy Championships.

Craig either turns up to this trial and possibly jeopardises his chances at Nationals, or doesn't turn up and misses out on Selection for Sydney Juniors. If he doesn't turn up, (I wouldn't bother if I was him) but still gets selected for the Juniors, it just shows what a farce the whole thing really is.

If they wanted the best kids under 17 playing for Sydney then, they why would you have a special trial to select boys who can't be bothered turning up the State Championships. If they were any good or keen to represent Sydney, then they would have easily been able to work their way into the West Harbour Team or even the Eastwood or Penrith Team.

The fact that no other District wanted these two Hobbits perhaps says something. Even more telling is the facebook invitation Manly Team organised by boys themselves. Manly played with 3 or 4 only on the bench. They would rather play with 5 less on their bench than actively chase the two Hobbits for whom special trials are needed.

All I can say is this U17 nonsense is but a side show for what the various selectors will be doing over the weekend for the Under 16's. Schools, Juniors and Country Horsetrading galore.

Little wonder George Smith is out to reorganise the Juniors and Schools Administrators and "selectors" out of the pathway, and out of any real influence in footy. Go get 'en Georgie Boy.

 

[southsider]

The fact that no other District wanted these two Hobbits perhaps says something. Even more telling is the facebook invitation Manly Team organised by boys themselves. Manly played with 3 or 4 only on the bench. They would rather play with 5 less on their bench than actively chase the two Hobbits for whom special trials are needed.

it could have been just rivalry rather than the players not being good enough? Im pretty sure at least one of those two southern boys have previously made a Sydney team so they must have SOME form of talent, surely enough to make a state cup team.

There would have been very few players from other regions that my state cup team would've allowed into our squad just through the rivalry we had