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NSW JRU State Championships & Representative Teams 2015

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Gary Owen III

Syd Malcolm (24)
What a surprise that is.
Given the way selections turned out it is not at all surprising that 2 have flown the coop: they would only have needed to keep playing if they got picked in higher teams.
Where is Gary Owen III to defend this?

Defend what? wasn't a post by myself, rather Tractor.
In saying that if the players don't honour the commitments they made (and play out the remaining season for club) then SJRU would make then ineligible for any further Reps next year in U16's.
And if that is their focus then they will miss the "two bites of the cherry" (as you like to call it).
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
And if that is their focus then they will miss the "two bites of the cherry" (as you like to call it).
Defend the initial decision to give them a dispensation.
Its not me who talks about cherry bites - cherry ripes, but not cherry bites: although I am honoured to be confused with Hugh Jarse.
The difficulty is that this was entirely predictable.
The consequence is that kids to whom the SJRU/NSWJRU should be directing its interest and attention were adversely affected by the ring ins being allowed to play despite not being formally qualified to do so: and the adverse reaction of the parents of those affected was in itself entirely predictable.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
2. All three registered with a local Southern Districts club side.
3. All three have committed to playing for that club side after their return from Glengarry.

So we've had 2 or 3 rounds since Glengary - how many games have these guys played?
 

Gary Owen III

Syd Malcolm (24)
As a number of us predicted. What a sorry episode.

Correct me if I am wrong but Glengary goes till the school holidays at the end of term 2. There has only been one game (Rnd 10) since the school holidays.

And Manly Vikings forfeited this game against Burraneer!

So what game are these lads supposed to have played in?

A check of Buddha shows all three in the Burraneer team?
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Correct me if I am wrong but Glengary goes till the school holidays at the end of term 2. There has only been one game (Rnd 10) since the school holidays.

And Manly Vikings forfeited this game against Burraneer!

So what game are these lads supposed to have played in?

A check of Buddha shows all three in the Burraneer team?

As you seem so closely involved, no doubt you'll keep us all up to date.

EDIT: Glengary finished on Thursday 18 June and there was a full round on Sunday 21 June;)
 

CatchnPass

Vay Wilson (31)
Correct me if I am wrong but Glengary goes till the school holidays at the end of term 2. There has only been one game (Rnd 10) since the school holidays.

And Manly Vikings forfeited this game against Burraneer!

So what game are these lads supposed to have played in?

A check of Buddha shows all three in the Burraneer team?
Think you'll find they have been on the team sheet all season - just haven't signed one.

I hope I'm wrong and these boys do what they promised - Burraneer could certainly use the help. But the 'stick' of no SJRU reps next year is likely a twig given most GPS boys are happy to rely solely on school pathway from u16s. Its at this point that character, honouring your commitments and doing the right thing, cuts in. Or doesn't.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Think you'll find they have been on the team sheet all season - just haven't signed one.

I hope I'm wrong and these boys do what they promised - Burraneer could certainly use the help. But the 'stick' of no SJRU reps next year is likely a twig given most GPS boys are happy to rely solely on school pathway from u16s. Its at this point that character, honouring your commitments and doing the right thing, cuts in. Or doesn't.

Although when children observe adults manipulate the system with little or no loyalty or committment to clubs, it's most likely that they will imitate the conduct of said adults sadly.
 

Fightingminer

Frank Row (1)
http://www.nswjuniors.rugbynet.com.au/default.asp

The NSW JRU Web site announces that the June long weekend of 6/7/8th June sees the NSWJRU State Championships commence for the age groups Under 11s to Under 17s.

This years NSWJRU State Championships also incorporate the Country Junior Championships for the U15s, U16s and U17s.


Venues for 2015:

U10 28 June only Location to be announced (not on the web site but deduced from within the Competition manual)

U11 6/7th June only Blackman Park, Lane Cove

U12 6/7/8th June Camden Rugby Park, Camden

U13 6/7/8th June Drummoyne Ovals, Drummoyne

U14 6/7/8th June Endeavour Park, Orange

U15 6/7/8th June Glen Willow Sporting Complex, Mudgee

U16 and U17 6/7/8th June St Lukes Fields, Concord

So the NSW State Championships will be going ahead on the June Long Weekend, regardless of the recent cancellation of the National Under 16 Championships, and the second iteration of the Junior Gold Cup for Under 15's and Under 17's.

The 2015 NSWJRU JSC Competition rules state in part:
3. PLAYER QUALIFICATION
(A) A player is qualified to compete in the JSC if:
(i) He / she has played, in 2015, at least four (4) club competition matches for a Sydney club or country town, within the Sydney District / Country Zone he / she is seeking to play for (Under 10 to Under 16).
(ii) In the Under 17 age group, he has played at least 4 club competition matches in 2014 or 2015 for a junior club or country town within the Sydney District /Country Zone he is seeking to play for.

The Grandfather Clause/Rort. The eligibility criteria for participation at the 2013 NSW Junior State Championships that allowed Under 16 players who were not actively playing junior village club rugby in the current year to participate in the State Championships, and consequently be selected to represent Sydney JRU or NSW Country JRU age group teams was removed for 2014 JSC, and that remains in effect for 2015. This loophole still exists for Under 17’s.

At the rather hotly contested Under 16 level, there was much consternation last year regarding how, and the manner in which, some players, and teams, managed to qualify for JSC rep teams. There was also additional criteria imposed on this selected for regional and SJRU representative squads, and once again there was a fair bit of chatter about cynical manipulation of the eligibility criteria. Despite the traction of the ARU Junior Gold Cup programme for U15 and U17 levels, and the demise of the National U16 tournament, I predict that there will still be a fair bit of discussion on U16 eligibility at individual and team level.

Under 18’s
There will be a SJRU administered Saturday Under 18 competition run in conjunction with the SRU Colts programme. It is believed that there will be approximately 8 District teams involved, and that the competition will run until the June Long Weekend with a Finals series being run in conjunction with the JSC. Unsure whether any NSW Country Zone U18 teams may be invited to participate. Probably not.

Under 17's
It is understood that only 7 Sydney Junior Village clubs have registered to play in the Sunday Open Grade competition. Buddha doesn’t have any detail up yet as to where these clubs come from. Assuming that all players in the SJRU comp qualify as U17 players, and that no district has more than one team, there will be a maximum of 7 SJRU teams at State Champs. The Grandfather clause applies for Under 17’s, so a district may be able to cobble together a U17 rep team provided that the individuals played at least 4 SJRU Competition came in 2014.

As a contrast, there were only 5 SJRU District teams and 2 Country Zone Teams at the 2014 U17's.

Under 16's
This brings us to my favourite age group the Under 16's. Boy, has this been fun in the past and even without the prospect of 2 bites at the Selection Cherry for Club and School teams at the now discontinued National Champs, there was still fun and games over selection into the respective teams that participated in the inaugural NSW Invitational U16 tournament that was played out over the October Long Weekend in 2014. Once again, the worst aspects of the Mr and Mrs Aus-Sports parents and vainglory seeking Coaches, Managers, Administrators and Officials come to the fore at some stage of the JSC, the Regional tournament, Sydney Juniors vs Country Juniors, and the Invitational itself.

Many of these folk will be fresh out of the 2014/2015 Under 15 JGC programme and notwithstanding the negatives on the sidelines and back rooms, the rugby in this age group is generally of an extremely high standard in this age group. Many of the players have been in the 1st XV or 16A's at their school, and plenty of the more skilled dual coders keeping their options open for both codes have been here to play some footy. Most of these have been at State Champs since Under 10's and it is often the last Junior State Champs for them before they disappear into School footy or SG Ball Loig.

It is a fairly safe bet to assume that the 2015/16 U17 JCG Selectors/Scouts will be present, so there will still be an incentive to showcase talent, provided they are registered with a Village Club. The players will be keen to stay on the Clipboards radar screens because many of them will not re-enter consideration for JGC until the end of 2016 when they would be under consideration for the 2016/2017 U17 JGC programme. Despite all public statements to the contrary, Clipboards from Schools will also be lurking on the sidelines of the U15 and U16 games, as will many Mungo and Shute Shield Clipboard wielders who will keeping an eye out on the cattle market.

Under 15's
The Interstate teams in the U15's will be chock full of confidence on the back of their pre-season development courtesy of the JGC programme, as will many of the Country Zone teams. The SJRU Districts will need to bring their A game to the Champs if they want their name on the silverware. Fresh out of the JGC, many of the kids (and parents) will be keen to do well at these champs to remain on the talent scouts radar screen. They will not be in JGC programme again until the end of 2016 when this cohort will become front and centre for 2016/2017 JGC U17.

Rep trials are probably under way or will soon be underway in many districts, although most of the U15 JGC boys will have already been pencilled in by the District Selectors.

Good to see these games being held in the Country (Mudgee) for the first time that I can remember for this age group. Pack the thermals.

Under 14's
Sticking to the tried and true, the U14's caravan is up for another trip away to Orange. Take the winter woollies. For many it will be their first time away from home on a rugby tour. They should come away from this with some great memories of the fun that you can have on a sporting tour with your mates.

Under 13's and below will just be a maelstrom of activity with kids, footy balls going everywhere, and lots of happy laughter. Memo to parents, coaches, managers and administrators in these age group, FFS do not ruin it for the kids with your involvement. In these age groups, Rugby is for fun. Chill out, talk to some of the other parents who have travelled. Be nice to people. Let kids be kids and enjoy some carefree time in the sunshine, and fresh air.

Country Junior Championships for U15, U16 and U17.
It is interesting that the JSC will also incorporate the NSW Country Junior Championships for U15, U16 and U17’s. This may be the first time this has happened as I’m pretty sure that the Country Championships have been held separately in the past, with many of the Country JRU kids attending the JSC already confident of their place in the Country Representative squad for their age group. Country parents may possibly be happy that there is one less weekend of rugby travel, and it may result in more Country Zones attending JSC. In 2014 U15’s there were 4 Zone teams (Illawarra, Hunter, Central Coast and Central West). The 2014 U16’s only had Illawarra, Central Coast, and Hunter teams at JSC. Only Illawarra and Central Coast participated in the 2014 Under 17 JSC. If that is maintained this year, while there will be some savings for parents and the Country JRU in not having to run a separate Country Junior Championship for these age groups, there would be a fairly small gene pool for the Country Selectors to choose their representative teams from.

Are the NSW JRU JSC still relevant?

On a rather crowded and somewhat confused pathway, there are some who believe that there is a need to revise the timing of this tournament, remove some of the age groups to better mesh in with JCG, or even scrap the JSC altogether. Without the JSC, there would be very little for the NSW JRU to do apart from acting as a lobby group for the Junior Rugby players of NSW. Some would say that they act more as a lobby group for their own continued existence, relevance and power, and promotion and protection of their offspring and players from their affiliated Village Club/District. Like any group, there are some good and rotten eggs involved but by and large, their heart appears to be in the right place, and the majority of the junior rugby players love trying out for and playing in the annual Junior State Championships.
I note your eligibility rules. I know that this has been rorted by persons registering their boy in a team two age groups above what he is eligible to play and then the club puts them on the team list as a reserve and he is not even at the game! Goes to show if Dad is a star old boy at the club and rep rugby anything can happen!
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
@Fightingminer, a bit hard to discern exactly what you are getting at (what benefit is anyone seeking to obtain by registering a lad 2 ages up??) but having your name printed on a team sheet means nothing if a player is not there to sign on. Completed team sheets (with player signatures) get submitted each Sunday afternoon and there are always a number of printed names with no adjacent signature meaning they werent there. So your dad could be Izzy Folau, but if you havent signed the sheet it counts for nought.
 

Fightingminer

Frank Row (1)
What I am getting at is that the enrolments were done because there was no U15 team at the club in town that the family are closely associated with and that the signatures were done by other people. I live in a two club town.
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
To clarify - the boy in question was seeking to play U15s for a country team at JSCs and so registered with an U17s team to meet the 4 game qualification, but never played and others forged his signature each week?
 

CatchnPass

Vay Wilson (31)
Full marks to the 2 (of 3) Scots boys who, based on sign on sheets from last Sunday, appear to have turned up and honoured their pledge to play for Burraneer U15s post JSCs. Hopefully that will continue for the remaining 3 rounds and they will meet the 4 game requirement to qualify for JSCs. Any news on the other player?
 

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Allen Oxlade (6)
Is the JGC going to continue with the policy of allowing players from other codes to come in and play then go back to their chosen sport? Bloody disgraceful.

Then there's the $660 for the privilege of being selected. The original concept was brought about to
1. Have a pathway similar to leagues Harold Mats and SG Ball which is FREE
2. To increase player numbers in clubs as selected players were meant to register and play with their nearest club.


Pardon the pun BUT Junior Gold administration.... You've dropped the ball
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Full marks to the 2 (of 3) Scots boys who, based on sign on sheets from last Sunday, appear to have turned up and honoured their pledge to play for Burraneer U15s post JSCs. Hopefully that will continue for the remaining 3 rounds and they will meet the 4 game requirement to qualify for JSCs. Any news on the other player?
Yes full marks to the boys and yet another "could do better" for SJRU
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Is that an apology for post #300?

With 2 posts to your name my radar says "troll".
But I'll respond anyway: its not an apology - its recognition that, as usual, its the adults who have dropped a chokito into the pool.
Its not my place to apologise to the kids who play in the comps that SJRU organise and publicise you must play in to be eligible for higher honours, its not my place to apologise to parents who drive to Mudgee for less game time than they were promised.
 

CatchnPass

Vay Wilson (31)
And 1 game does not a commitment fulfil - Burraneer forfeited last Sunday. Who knows whether the Scots boys turned up. In any event, they (2 of 3) have the final 3 rounds only to keep their promise of playing 4 games. 1 of 3, the highest profile of the NSWPSSA brigade, now won't be able to. Might be nice if he at least fronted up for remaining matches.
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
Well, Burraneer played on the weekend for a rare and no doubt much appreciated victory. Guess who was not a part of it? Yes, the 3 Scots/Souths players who now cannot possibly honour their 4 game minimum commitment. 1 of them has played zero and the other 2 have played one game each. I trust that SJRU will now take the appropriate action as per Garry Owen III's post #301? Names are at #184.
 
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