NSW CCC Rugby 2012

[Rugby Mum]

It was actually a very Proud grandmother of a CHS lad Number 12... I figured the more i chatted to her the less others heard!!!!
The 12 played well when he got the ball, fast strong runner hard to catch. I think the team with him and the 14 resulted in a try or two. The 14 was quick and hard to get down and catch once he got going. The 21 was quick but noticed when he missed the tackles just laid flat beating himself up - saw this happen 3 times, appearing pretty weak in defense.
Cant recall the 10 for ISA but I tell you the 10 from CHS was impressive - some great chip and chases that raised some eyebrows of influencial people- if only he would tackle as well.

 

[whatever]

It was actually a very Proud grandmother of a CHS lad Number 12. I figured the more i chatted to her the less others heard!!!!
The 12 played well when he got the ball, fast strong runner hard to catch. I think the team with him and the 14 resulted in a try or two. The 14 was quick and hard to get down and catch once he got going. The 21 was quick but noticed when he missed the tackles just laid flat beating himself up - saw this happen 3 times, appearing pretty weak in defense.
Cant recall the 10 for ISA but I tell you the 10 from CHS was impressive - some great chip and chases that raised some eyebrows of influencial people- if only he would tackle as well.

Ok, good luck to all the CCC boys - hope some make the NSW school squad, although past experience would indicate that none should expect too.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

It was actually a very Proud grandmother of a CHS lad Number 12. I figured the more i chatted to her the less others heard!!!!
.....

During the CCC vs GPS game, there is no one present who would have guessed that she was there to barrack for CHS.

A big "On yer" and a double "we luvs youse all" for taking one for the team and talking to her. Like a true Gaggerlander.

 

[whatever]

Ok, I am putting forward three CCC players who I believe would not be out of place in the NSW Schools U16s squad. Now, history dictates none will make it; but if the selectors are fair dinkum all three should be there.

Keiron Bonin - 2nd row or loose forward
Topiese Taufa - centre
Scott Hogan - half / 5/8

Reckon the break up should be about:

GPS - 8
ISA - 4
CHS - 4
CAS - 4
CCC - 3

Sorry, could not identify any Country or AICES players.

 

[Hugie]

Got some feedback from the Illawarra CCC U16 boys and parents last Sunday (U17 Viqueens vs Shamrocks game).

I have been for some time been trying to convince the boys that the rugby private schools are not such a big deal. They're better at marketing than they are at rugby coaching. This was getting nowhere, after all what 16 year old boy listens to his dad. I played for Barker 2nds then for Sydney Uni 3rd and 4ths (1 game 2nd grade) and played with a lot of Joe boys and Igys boys (all at St John college learning to sckull beer). This taught me they were just normal people, their teams just played together a lot.

After the state schools comp. last weekend a number of them have come back saying "they're no big deal they're just like us", plus the Illawarra boys all know Jame Kane well (he went to TIGS and played for the Illawarra district team that won the Country champs he was the standout of the weekend I understand) and know he's a normal person also.

It seems the GPS IIs coaching staff help a lot, as they "lost it" at half time which the CCC boys saw, which of cause only strengthened CCCs self confidence. The Illawarra CCC boys are convinced they should have won the game against GPS II.

Even though no CCC boys got selected and a disproportionate number GPS boys got selected it seems down here at least the feeling is no big deal that's just good GPS marketing. You don't have to go to big rugby private school to learn to play rugby.

My next message to them will be "BUT you do have to play a lot of hard rugby!".

 

[whatever]

It seems the GPS IIs coaching staff help a lot, as they "lost it" at half time which the CCC boys saw, which of cause only strengthened CCCs self confidence. The Illawarra CCC boys are convinced they should have won the game against GPS II.

Even though no CCC boys got selected and a disproportionate number GPS boys got selected it seems down here at least the feeling is no big deal that's just good GPS marketing. You don't have to go to big rugby private school to learn to play rugby.

Hugie,

Unless you have some inside info, the schools squad has not been selected yet. Some bloggers have put out their ideas (12 out of 15 GPS) of the 1st/15 and it will be probably be close to the mark given past selection history but don't write off some of the boys yet, if the selectors decide to be fair dinkum and choose a combined NSW schools squad.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Hughie,
The U16 team hasn't been announced yet. Sometime later this week if you listen to the grapevine.

However, despite the good performances by ISA and CCC in the trials and tournament at Knox, the old chestnuts of politics, egos, and self interest will come to the fore at selection time, and some CCC kids with good rugby potential will be overlooked to "feed the machine".

I just hope that Uncle Manu and some of his assistants had a quiet chat with the relevant CCC lads.
Additional development via a JGS position may be all it takes for a CCC kid to give rugby union a bloody good go, and perhaps get a gig at Under 18 level.

The veneer of GPS genetic superiority was exposed by the largely underdone ISA and CCC teams.

Just to put things into perspective: a year 7 intake of 200 boys all paying $20000 for the GPS rugby pedigree is $4m cashflow at stake. Worth spending some marketing money perpetuating a myth of brand superiority isn't it? Is that worth infiltrating and undermining the "level playing field" selection process?

 

[Hugie]

Hugh,
Sorry about that misread the other stream blog.
However doesn't detract from the point I was making, you don't have to go to a GPS school to make it in rugby, don't believe the marketing. You're correct in how the $ play out, if you gave out 3 scholarships at $40000 a time then $120000 out of a $4m cashflow 3% on marketing. Then it really isn't $40000 because the costing is marginal so <3% about what you would think is right. However $120k is a lot of money and you'll want something for it.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I suspect that there are a lot of parents and "borders at home on mummies laptop" posting in Gaggerland who post here solely to talk up the chances of their offspring, friends, themselves, or their school.

These are a rather transparent and at best ignored. Pretty sure that the selectors do not select their teams based on Gaggerland wanging.

The worst of this crap is frequently jumped on pretty quickly by the moderators. Some posters even post their selections as a cynical trolling exercise. Gaggerland at times is a target rich environment for trollers, and boy do they bite sometimes.

 

[whatever]

Hughie,
The U16 team hasn't been announced yet. Sometime later this week if you listen to the grapevine.

However, despite the good performances by ISA and CCC in the trials and tournament at Knox, the old chestnuts of politics, egos, and self interest will come to the fore at selection time, and some CCC kids with good rugby potential will be overlooked to "feed the machine".

I just hope that Uncle Manu and some of his assistants had a quiet chat with the relevant CCC lads.
Additional development via a JGS position may be all it takes for a CCC kid to give rugby union a bloody good go, and perhaps get a gig at Under 18 level.

The veneer of GPS genetic superiority was exposed by the largely underdone ISA and CCC teams.

Just to put things into perspective: a year 7 intake of 200 boys all paying $20000 for the GPS rugby pedigree is $4m cashflow at stake. Worth spending some marketing money perpetuating a myth of brand superiority isn't it? Is that worth infiltrating and undermining the "level playing field" selection process?

I hope he did but the fact remains that a percentage of these CCC boys are dual coders and played in the prestigous Harold Matthews cup this year; in fact, the 2 backs I have put forward in this thread as stand outs from the trials did. Therefore, if rugby ignores them while league continues to recognise them, the decision these boys need to make now more sooner then later is a one way street. These two boys will probably be selected in their district U17s rep or SG Ball sides next year.

To me it is now or never for rugby union to stand up and recognise these lads or, in my mind, league wins.

I'm not saying these lads will eventually go all the way in their football careers, but the potential is there.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Taane Milne out of Randwick BHS --->Newington Parachute--->NSW Opens.

Not sure how he is going with his Roosters mungoball pathway but options within Heavensgame have been opened for this lad.

Like Panteen, it may not happen overnight but it will happen.

Agree, Rugby needs to broaden its appeal and footprint as the sport of choice beyond the enclaves of GPS and CAS.

The easiest was it to target institutions such as CCC and CHS and promote the virtues to boys at the same time as the mungo scouts are trying to take the same off the market and into [insert NRL Clubname] academy/SG Ball/Toyota cup stable. Too late after U16's.

ARU ignore the potential converts who need "rugbying" up at their peril. The GPS and CAS rockstars will continue to develop without too much ARU imput. Not the same with potential talent in the CCC and CHS system.

 

[Hugie]

Agreed Hugh,
70% of boys in NSW go to a CHS school and 20% to a CCC school. Any money/resources you have available must be targeted at 90% of your market AND the other 10% will look after itself anyway.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Agreed Hugh,
70% of boys in NSW go to a CHS school and 20% to a CCC school. Any money/resources you have available must be targeted at 90% of your market AND the other 10% will look after itself anyway.

That is the sort of logic and numbers that Uncle Manu and others need to read about in Gaggerland, while they ignore all the other self interested posts about how good my son is and why he should be selected for the Gold squad or whatever.

 

[whatever]

ARU ignore the potential converts who need "rugbying" up at their peril. The GPS and CAS rockstars will continue to develop without too much ARU imput. Not the same with potential talent in the CCC and CHS system.

I don't whether the ARU is the problem, it seems to me that private school selection panels (take that as GPS & CAS) and NSWRU are more the problem.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

As I have said elsewhere, ARU community rugby actually does a great job in rather difficult circumstances. The problem lies exactly where you have indicated, at the interruption in the supply chain to the grass roots.

ARU needs to give better direction to some of its affiliates and their affiliates for the betterment of the Rugby Brand, otherwise all their efforts will come to naught, not to mention the efforts of the poor serfs at volunteer grass roots level and the Gaggerland wangers. Other ranting from me on this topic is in the NSW Junior Rugby - The Garling Report thread.

 

[Rugby Mum]

Taane Milne out of Randwick BHS --->Newington Parachute--->NSW Opens.

Not sure how he is going with his Roosters mungoball pathway but options within Heavensgame have been opened for this lad.

Like Panteen, it may not happen overnight but it will happen.

Agree, Rugby needs to broaden its appeal and footprint as the sport of choice beyond the enclaves of GPS and CAS.

The easiest was it to target institutions such as CCC and CHS and promote the virtues to boys at the same time as the mungo scouts are trying to take the same off the market and into [insert NRL Clubname] academy/SG Ball/Toyota cup stable. Too late after U16's.

ARU ignore the potential converts who need "rugbying" up at their peril. The GPS and CAS rockstars will continue to develop without too much ARU imput. Not the same with potential talent in the CCC and CHS system.

I have to say being a "True" Rugby Mum, not a Dual coder Mum, was disappointed when each game the "dualies" all got max time on the field while kids that have played NSW Country for past three years and NSWJRU last year were benched. Size over skills and ability were the plan possibly.
I understand each coach has their own plan, but some research into your team may benefit. The program cost 500.00 just to get the boys on the field plus travel and time. An enjoyable but expensive exercise for what purpose I ask as a rugby Mum. Ok so my son got a reserve jersey from NSWCCC about the 7th NSW jersey he as earnt, but I would not favour this pathway next year again. I didn't expect for him to get into the schools side as he is happy playing NSW country, but honestly all it is, is an opportunity for the NSWCCC rugby kids, and other smaller associations to be exposed to what they can experience at Nationals. In our experience with the ARU they are more than happy to give input when asked, but I wonder if they are actually being asked....as they have no bias in their selections, and I dont think some people are ready to take that step.

 

[10to12]

I think the real issue here is that the CCC and CHS boys are not playing a lot of hard rugby and more importantly not a lot of hard rugby in front of the selectors. The selectors turn up to these carnivals and see boys they have been watching for 3 years (village finals, state champs etc) playing yet another hard game with structure and the magnificent athleticism of some of the CCC and CHS boys gets over looked because their technique in rugby is just not there. As for keeping them in rugby, BLOODY HARD when the league model is so superior from this age group upwards.Bigger numbers needed, better money for the 16 to 22 year old. Also can live at home and have the adoration of your fans. In union this happens at school(GPS/ CAS) but its the next jump up that we loose them when the parents are insisting they pass their Uni exams as well.

 

[Rugby Mum]

I think the real issue here is that the CCC and CHS boys are not playing a lot of hard rugby and more importantly not a lot of hard rugby in front of the selectors. The selectors turn up to these carnivals and see boys they have been watching for 3 years (village finals, state champs etc) playing yet another hard game with structure and the magnificent athleticism of some of the CCC and CHS boys gets over looked because their technique in rugby is just not there. As for keeping them in rugby, BLOODY HARD when the league model is so superior from this age group upwards.Bigger numbers needed, better money for the 16 to 22 year old. Also can live at home and have the adoration of your fans. In union this happens at school(GPS/ CAS) but its the next jump up that we loose them when the parents are insisting they pass their Uni exams as well.

I also believe the rep pathway for League is Under 15's and Opens, hence nothing for these kids to play but union at 16's. Maybe taht is why we see so many "Dualies" at this age and not in the 18s.

 

[whatever]

I suppose I am looking at increasing the talented players' pool at a senior level and, I believe, the U16s (at school level) is the logically age to put the feelers out in an attempt get the dual coders to jump ship. Any lack of true rugby skills can be taught in a week long camp or intensive training sessions - therefore natural football skills should be looked at more closely (after all, I would say none of dual coders lacked adequate rugby skills).

Mum, is right - the dual coders at 18 have both league and union school tournaments and possibly, having been ignored by union at 16s go towards league.

Anyway, it is likely quite a few CCC boys will turn out for Country and maybe for Sydney, hope the Schools selectors place a few in the schools' squad.

 

[10to12]

"I suppose I am looking at increasing the talented players' pool at a senior level and, I believe, the U16s (at school level) is the logically age to put the feelers out in an attempt get the dual coders to jump ship."

Whatever. Agree with you about numbers, but the real issue is getting more numbers in the younger age groups. The bigger the Pyramid base the bigger it is at the top.
PS It takes slightly more than a week to skill up a league player . Good luck to the CCC boys