NSW CAS Rugby 2020
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Ward Prentice (10)
What sort of New South Welshman plays AFL? I went away from following schoolboy rugby for a while and I have only got back into it in recent years and only when I did was I told about an AFL program at my old school Cranbrook. I can distinctly remember scoffing as to me it was markedly bizarre. I was re-assured at the time that all the teams 'got pumped' and that there was little involvement. Yet according to my son it appears the program is growing and apparently luring athletes which could potentially be good rugby boys and probably would of had they been born 30 years earlier.
So I ask the question why were AFL programs started in NSW's private schools? Who let them in? And why? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this Victorian game inherently detrimental to the game we hold in such high regard. I can remember when the Swans first came to Sydney in 1982, everyone laughed that they got no crowds but now they get roughly 30,000 a night whilst the Tahs get 11,000. Who's to say that the same trend can't occur at schoolboy level?
ZHC
Peter Burge (5)
@Rugby League, very good questions.
What happened, was that many years ago, the AFL CEO at the time Andrew Demetriou, created a plan to put AFL into NSW, massively and permanently. AD first started in NSW country, approaching council with run down fields, that AFL would pay for their maintenance if AFL posts were put in. Then he approached schools, funding it all.
Meanwhile Rugby Union and Rugby League, for the majority of the people in the right places did SFA, as they thought NSW was safe from GAYFL. Well, as many of us knew, that would not be the case. The officials in both codes had their blinkers on, big time, Phil Gould saw it but no one listened to him. Meanwhile, AFL just ploughed in the funds, their administration a lot lot smarter than Rah Rah and League in looking after their money from broadcast rights.
Rugby League, have found their own Andrew Demetriou, with Peter V'landys now running their show. Doing an excellent job, though probably a tad late to stop AFL now.
Rugby Union, on the back foot still. IMHO, they need private funding to find a AD/PVL/John O'Neill person.
There Are Three Types of People:
- Those Who Make Things Happen i.e. AFL
- Those Who Watch Things Happen i.e. People like us and Phil Gould
- and Those Who Wonder What Happened i.e. The Rugby Union and Rugby League administrators
Anyway, enough of my ranting, a dry McWilliams sherry nightcap then off to bed.
Suggest, you do some research of your own.
What happened, was that many years ago, the AFL CEO at the time Andrew Demetriou, created a plan to put AFL into NSW, massively and permanently. AD first started in NSW country, approaching council with run down fields, that AFL would pay for their maintenance if AFL posts were put in. Then he approached schools, funding it all.
Meanwhile Rugby Union and Rugby League, for the majority of the people in the right places did SFA, as they thought NSW was safe from GAYFL. Well, as many of us knew, that would not be the case. The officials in both codes had their blinkers on, big time, Phil Gould saw it but no one listened to him. Meanwhile, AFL just ploughed in the funds, their administration a lot lot smarter than Rah Rah and League in looking after their money from broadcast rights.
Rugby League, have found their own Andrew Demetriou, with Peter V'landys now running their show. Doing an excellent job, though probably a tad late to stop AFL now.
Rugby Union, on the back foot still. IMHO, they need private funding to find a AD/PVL/John O'Neill person.
There Are Three Types of People:
- Those Who Make Things Happen i.e. AFL
- Those Who Watch Things Happen i.e. People like us and Phil Gould
- and Those Who Wonder What Happened i.e. The Rugby Union and Rugby League administrators
Anyway, enough of my ranting, a dry McWilliams sherry nightcap then off to bed.
Suggest, you do some research of your own.
I think not, unfortunately.
But, as a Cranbrook OB, I'll be going for Aloys, if it means anything to them.
Jonathan lumerick
Frank Row (1)
Although I see this weekends game as being a one sided affair between waverly and Aloys, i think it should be noted that in the last 6 years (2014-2019) waverly have won 3 and aloys have won 3. I think id be silly to think aloys will fold over this weekend. Despite that I do see this weekends game to be a heavy defeat to aloys
Number 7
Darby Loudon (17)
Interesting. Did you factor in that Barker is co-ed now? Also - Knox had 23 teams in 2019 when they came to Northbridge.
Interesting bit of trivia for you: Rugby is the second most popular sport in Sri Lanka by player numbers after cricket (source: SL Ministry of Sport). When I was involved in Rugby in Asia we always had a couple of teams turn up to tournaments and they were pretty good. Probably not why those kids are going to Trinity but I was amazed when I tried to organise a tour to SL how many clubs there were.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
All true. But who would you prefer in your side, the five best schools players from Sri Lanka or the five best from Samoa?
Flavio
Ward Prentice (10)
Barker had 2149 students last year, 1776 boys 373 girls, I took out the Junior School numbers. This chart is only for years 7-12
Knox dont make their sports fixtures public, but more teams brings it closer the average
Just scrolling through past comments , I am wondering what has happened to Joe Morris ? Has he left Waverley ?
WLF
Arch Winning (36)
bring back rucking
Fred Wood (13)
Knox is putting out 25 teams of XV this weekend against Cranbrook, Barker, Waverley, Pius, Auggies and Oakhill
Plus an additional 94 players listed as reserves or injured.
So essentially they have the capacity for touch over 30 teams across the age groups in a simplistic "everyone plays" viewpoint.
14s is the lightest with 66. Opens the most with 143.
Plus an additional 94 players listed as reserves or injured.
So essentially they have the capacity for touch over 30 teams across the age groups in a simplistic "everyone plays" viewpoint.
14s is the lightest with 66. Opens the most with 143.
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RuggerFan1
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What does BOTE stand forThis is a spreadsheet I did last year, with data from Myschools and School team lists. It shows a correlation between the number of students, less the number that have language background other than English to the number if rugby teams. It make the presumption that BOTE students are less likely to play rugby. So you need about 60 available potential players for each team. KNOX is a bit of a stab in the dark and BOTE of Trinity seems way out of wack, if it were 40% it would be on the money.
So the only way in increase numbers of team is increase students, less BOTE (Less $$$$$) reduce competing sports get rid of AFL or maybe make it the sport of choice
Michael_Pooper
Stan Wickham (3)
bring back rucking
Fred Wood (13)
Knox has 2130 students in the senior school
Potential for an eventual merger between the ISA, CAS and GPS comps with there formation of one Greater Sydney Schools Rugby competition and tiers to that competition i.e. 1st grade Barker, Waverley, St Augustines, Joeys, Scots, St Stanislaus ? Problem with this system emerges however in terms of number of sides per school and the fact that, whilst St Augustines could compete, St Stanislaus would have a hard time competing - in general - ISA teams would struggle to match it but thoughts ?
Mr Serious
Peter Burge (5)
Hey Pooper, I don't think BOTE stand for 'Background Other Than English' unless the statistics provided are wrong. As the percentage factor for Waves is extremely low which seems very unusual especially after seeing their u16A, 2XV and 1XV play the other weekend as each team predominantly consisted of big Polynesian boys. Would only assume that there younger siblings/cousins will be getting enrolled into the school if they match the Edmen rice scholarship requirement - to offer some size and strength on the rugby pitch HA HA.
Mr S
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Nev Cottrell (35)
You wouldn't snap your fingers and get a perfect competition overnight. You'd get a series of better competitions. If I were designing it, I suspect you'd have three tiers - one, the elite level, for the schools with big programs to which serious resources are devoted. The lower tier would be schools who want to play Rugby on a fairly casual basis, and generally have one team in each age group. And most schools would be in the middle tier, which would have to be organised into different conferences (based on geography and history). (You could split the middle tier into two tiers, but most schools in this bracket would be fairly evenly matched.)
Importantly, you'd change it over time, based on the size and scope of the school's program and consistent performance measured across a range of criteria.
The critical thing is to take short-term 1st XV performance out of the equation. That isn't how we should evaluate a school's Rugby program.
Snort
Nev Cottrell (35)
Hey Pooper, I don't think BOTE stand for 'Background Other Than English' unless the statistics provided are wrong. As the percentage factor for Waves is extremely low which seems very unusual especially after seeing their u16A, 2XV and 1XV play the other weekend as each team predominantly consisted of big Polynesian boys. Would only assume that there younger siblings/cousins will be getting enrolled into the school if they match the Edmen rice scholarship requirement - to offer some size and strength on the rugby pitch HA HA.
Mr S
Is Edmen rice any relation to Edmund Rice?
FoleyBealeFolau
Ward Prentice (10)
Don't know if a couple Irish lads I knew growing up would have liked being called English