NSW AAGPS Rugby 2016

[BRUMBIEJACK]

Don't think that CAS schools are above matters best discussed on the thread which dare not speak its name. Just that in rugby, CAS isn't as attractive - if we were to talk swimming for example..........

Not many GPS schools have just built $10 aquatic centres or run professional swim squads from their premises.

If Waverley could have built a $10 aquatic centre though, we would have been in there like Flynn. As would most other schools I imagine. Anyway, this is a rugby thread I thought.

 

[Quick Hands]

If Waverley could have built a $10 aquatic centre though, we would have been in there like Flynn. As would most other schools I imagine. Anyway, this is a rugby thread I thought.

You introduced non-rugby matters into it. If we're going to talk recruiting, it's all on the table.

 

[Quick Hands]

You may well be right in certain CAS schools - the school fees in 2/3 of CAS schools would be equal to that of their GPS cousins. As a Waverley parent though I think I can confidently say that there aren't any rivers of sporting scholarship (or other) gold that flow through the school. What you see is what you get.

Perhaps at Waverley, but not at other CAS schools.

Cranbrook $32,115-$34,263
Knox $27,840-$29,430
Barker $27,490-$29,390
Trinity $28,650-$31,670
Newington $27,972-$30,501
Shore $25,920-$28,620
Kings $30,196-$33,003
Grammar $32,644
Riverview $24,880-$25,680
Joeys $29,040

Doesn't look too much different to me.

 

[BRUMBIEJACK]

You introduced non-rugby matters into it. If we're going to talk recruiting, it's all on the table.

No problems there. The Knox rugby coach is a good example as is the Trinity aquatic centre and specialised swimming/athletics program. My point relates to the claim that the GPS/CAS gap is widening and my retort is that the gap largely exists because the makeup of GPS 1sts includes late-comers to the school whose presence is based on their rugby skills. One. two or three a year doesn't sound much but it's a lot in schoolboy terms. My point is that a proud rugby school like Waverley playing a proud rugby school like SIC is not pitting like v like. The resources are completely different, approach to talent recruitment (particularly in senior rugby years) is completely different so we should expect a particular result. My point is that saying GPS schools smashed CAS schools says more about the desire to concentrate talent in a smaller & smaller group of schools is very unhealthy for the long-term health of a game I assume we all enjoy. It is becoming an increasingly marginal sport and cherry-picking talent from elsewhere just adds to its broader marginalisation. Rather than bemoaning the results, perhaps people could suggest ways of changing them in the future.

 

[BRUMBIEJACK]

Perhaps at Waverley, but not at other CAS schools.

Cranbrook $32,115-$34,263
Knox $27,840-$29,430
Barker $27,490-$29,390
Trinity $28,650-$31,670
Newington $27,972-$30,501
Shore $25,920-$28,620
Kings $30,196-$33,003
Grammar $32,644
Riverview $24,880-$25,680
Joeys $29,040

Doesn't look too much different to me.

You missed out Waverley and Aloysius for some reason...

 

[Show and go]

You may well be right in certain CAS schools - the school fees in 2/3 of CAS schools would be equal to that of their GPS cousins. As a Waverley parent though I think I can confidently say that there aren't any rivers of sporting scholarship (or other) gold that flow through the school. What you see is what you get.

I hear your frustration , your either naive or not well informed but I will let u into a little secret at Waverley it happens also ,I can assure u of that but better left for another thread .

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Talk Rugby please.

 

[jeff thomson]

I hear your frustration , your either naive or not well informed but I will let u into a little secret at Waverley it happens also ,I can assure u of that but better left for another thread .

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[sidelineview]

I hear your frustration , your either naive or not well informed but I will let u into a little secret at Waverley it happens also ,I can assure u of that but better left for another thread .

Refer to ''that other thread'' please.

 

[Not in straight]

Quite a few still pics from yesterdays Shore V Barker game for anyone interested.

http://img.gg/NCLqJ9e

 

[BRUMBIEJACK]

I hear your frustration , your either naive or not well informed but I will let u into a little secret at Waverley it happens also ,I can assure u of that but better left for another thread .

Read the other thread. Very convincing argument with excellent and compelling evidentiary basis...NOT !!

 

[Quick Hands]

I just want to point out your figures for St Joseph's are incorrect. (One of my kids went there).

So I'm not sure how accurate the rest of your list will be.

Off the Joeys website.
https://www.joeys.org/enrolments/fee-schedule/

 

[Quick Hands]

You missed out Waverley and Aloysius for some reason.

Doesn't you boy go to Waverley? I'd assumed that you would know.

 

[Lee Grant]

I am certainty receiving your emails convos, the problem lies in my replies ,for some reason despite pressing the reply button they are not getting through. So sent them and I will reply on this site if that is OK.

Look in the convo again which you can receive - and see my solution.

Not many GPS schools have just built $10 aquatic centres or run professional swim squads from their premises.

Sounds like a bargain price. Where can you get one of those?
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[Johnny come lately]

First half highlights of Joeys defeating Knox at Knox. Watch in HD [avail now on Chrome browser], will take a few more mins on Safari.

Thanks mate, living overseas and work is killing my chances of attending games this year.....

 

[OAUI]

Not in total agreement with Azzuri. For me the 2 players chasing the 1sts #10 jumper at Kings are both able players but very similar as well. Both have decent pass / kicking games but don't feel they have ability to break or take on the line. Saturdays game also highlighted 1sts may need a reliable points taker and Mann missing a conversion and then a penalty to win the game for Kings 2nds, may be noted. Also disagree about Kings efforts in the 1sts on Saturday. I thought quite disappointing when also considering one of their tries was scored when Scots had one in the bin. Last years trial pretty sure Scots had 2 of their bigger name forwards out through injury (or rested) and Kings had a decent game but Kings coaching staff may have some disappointment the way things unfolded in the second half on Saturday. Peitsch has the X factor but the good sides should be able to cover the loss of one player.

 

[Wristman]

Not in total agreement with Azzuri. For me the 2 players chasing the 1sts #10 jumper at Kings are both able players but very similar as well. Both have decent pass / kicking games but don't feel they have ability to break or take on the line. Saturdays game also highlighted 1sts may need a reliable points taker and Mann missing a conversion and then a penalty to win the game for Kings 2nds, may be noted. Also disagree about Kings efforts in the 1sts on Saturday. I thought quite disappointing when also considering one of their tries was scored when Scots had one in the bin. Last years trial pretty sure Scots had 2 of their bigger name forwards out through injury (or rested) and Kings had a decent game but Kings coaching staff may have some disappointment the way things unfolded in the second half on Saturday. Peitsch has the X factor but the good sides should be able to cover the loss of one player.

I agree Oaui.
Thought that neither team looked like a GPS contender in the first half. Lots of errors and static backline play.
Kings were 2 tries ahead at half time as Azzuri pointed out but hardly playing great rugby.
Scots were all over the place.
Little protection for the half back and poor quality ball as a result.
In the second half Scots rallied and were clearly the better side but they will need to step it up to challenge for another title.
Those who toured NZ with the team assured me they were far more polished in those games. They will need to land that form quickly to stand any chance of defending their crown.
Not sure what the answer is for Kings.
They will be hard to beat by a significant margin but lack the firepower to threaten based on Saturday's performance.
The first game at Newington will be very telling.
My prediction is that they will go down by 15.
Scots should win at Shore but this years Shore team will be a far sterner test than previous years. It will be close.

 

[OAUI]

I'm holding off looking at the CAS forum for a while to all the views are in. I expect there will be some cannibalism expressed from those with no affiliation with Knox and Waverly. Trinity also for that matter who went down to St Pats I heard. Those 3 were being touted as challenges this year. From my limited experience there seems no doubt that GPS schools (GPS 1sts comp) put a lot more into their rugby programs than the other associations say apart from Knox and I'm not just discussing the talent. (Auggies have some claims that they can compete against any school most years) From the talent point of view, apart from maybe one school I think all schools would be able to acknowledge they are supporting their program to some degree. (Apologies if this is getting into the grey area)

I feel both from schooland outside school perspective there are 7 or 8 boys in the CAS competition who were and are amongst the best in the Y12 age group. They were a factor in the U16 CAS win over GPS two years ago and expect CAS will have the ability to put a pretty handy side on the field this year.

 

[sidesteppa]

A little bit of 2ndXV action from Knox v Joeys

Joeys no.12 [last yrs NSW U16] is quite a handy reserve for the firsts.

 

[Black & White]

I take my laptop to the Apple Mac store, as my baby boomer IT skills are not the best in this particular area. If not ready by them I simply do a repeat of the New/Oakhill game format for the New/Kings game.

Hello Lee
I hope you got my message at about 8.56 AM using the old Green & Gold site as suggested. Particularly about a GPS A Team thread

Regards

Black & White