NSW AAGPS Rugby 2014

[lincoln]

I asked a mate of mine about this a couple of years ago. The thinking went something like this:

Athletics is a good preparation for rugby.

When athletics was held after the rugby season, the athletes who play rugby are often carrying injuries and can't perform at their best and can't train for athletics while they are involved in a team sport (rugby. On the other hand, all the not athlete rugby players can still play and train at the moment.

It seemed logical explanation at the time i.e. athletics is a good preparation for rugby, whereas rugby isn't such a great preparation for athletics.

I thought it was because no rowers would do athletics in Sept/Oct (or alternatively, athletics interfered with the rowing programme - take your pick).

 

[footytime]

Seems like a big call for so early on in the season? The 2nd XV team looked a decent one on paper

yeah true the view 2nd XV actually seemed to fair pretty well with 8 players displaced, and playing against a 1st XV and only losing 19 -17

Good effort from those boys

 

[the baz]

On a different matter cananyone tell me where to look to find out the laws on No.8 picking the ball up from an uncontested scrum. There seems to be many urban myths and I would like to see something in writing?

look at under 19 law variations, law20.1f that if a team cannot supply a suitably trained front row, or a player in the front row is binned with no replacement available, they must play a 3-4 formation, so no number 8 anyway. My understanding is that this has always been extended in trials to a gentlemans agreement, that the 8's wont break from the scrum.

 

[Rugby from the backrow]

look at under 19 law variations, law20.1f that if a team cannot supply a suitably trained front row, or a player in the front row is binned with no replacement available, they must play a 3-4 formation, so no number 8 anyway. My understanding is that this has always been extended in trials to a gentlemans agreement, that the 8's wont break from the scrum.

It is hard to explain a gentleman's agreement to the crowd! I would like to find something in black and white.

 

[the baz]

It is hard to explain a gentleman's agreement to the crowd! I would like to find something in black and white.

Nothing written other than to say that should a team not be able to fulfill a qualified front row, and go uncontested, they must drop a player, and they must have a 3\4 formation, which means no number 8. That is written in the law book.

 

[Quick Hands]

I thought it was because no rowers would do athletics in Sept/Oct (or alternatively, athletics interfered with the rowing programme - take your pick).

Both equally valid.

Another reminder that the AAGPS is about much more than rugby. Rugby already has an over-hyped, privileged position in relation to participant numbers in a number of schools. The fact is that rugby has intruded into the time of other sports by going to 2 rounds.

It's school sport, boys should be encouraged to participate in as many sports as possible. If that means the athletes miss a couple of rugby TRIALS, so they can get their time in the limelight at the GPS athletics good luck to the kids and tough bananas to the rugby tragics.

 

[formerflanker]

Being a parent of boys at the school, it is always interesting to see some of the creative things boys come up with whilst they are 'studying'.

Short attention spans plus access to this web site is called "multi-tasking" these days. Apparently a desirable skill.

 

[formerflanker]

Both equally valid.

Another reminder that the AAGPS is about much more than rugby. Rugby already has an over-hyped, privileged position in relation to participant numbers in a number of schools. The fact is that rugby has intruded into the time of other sports by going to 2 rounds.

It's school sport, boys should be encouraged to participate in as many sports as possible. If that means the athletes miss a couple of rugby TRIALS, so they can get their time in the limelight at the GPS athletics good luck to the kids and tough bananas to the rugby tragics.

"Participate in as many sports as possible..." has unfortunately gone the way of the dodo. With increasing demands for rugby premierships and academic success many students either specialise in rugby all year or play low-level summer sports whilst preparing for rugby. With 4-term patterns of internal HSC assessment also added to their workload, it is difficult for boys to try and compete at the elite level year-round. Kellaway from Scots was able to do so in 2013 so it's not impossible - just hard.

 

[ilive4315]

I asked a mate of mine about this a couple of years ago. The thinking went something like this:

Athletics is a good preparation for rugby.

When athletics was held after the rugby season, the athletes who play rugby are often carrying injuries and can't perform at their best and can't train for athletics while they are involved in a team sport (rugby. On the other hand, all the not athlete rugby players can still play and train at the moment.

It seemed logical explanation at the time i.e. athletics is a good preparation for rugby, whereas rugby isn't such a great preparation for athletics.

completely wrong. The AAGPS convenor doesnt care about timing the GPS athletics season into rugby for the benefit of those boys who play both sports. The timing of the season is based in cohesion with that of the Athletics NSW season nothing more..

 

[Quick Hands]

completely wrong. The AAGPS convenor doesnt care about timing the GPS athletics season into rugby for the benefit of those boys who play both sports. The timing of the season is based in cohesion with that of the Athletics NSW season nothing more..

That's a fairly definitive answer, you must have inside knowledge

 

[Inside Shoulder]

completely wrong. The AAGPS convenor doesnt care about timing the GPS athletics season into rugby for the benefit of those boys who play both sports. The timing of the season is based in cohesion with that of the Athletics NSW season nothing more..

How does that explain the CAS season - they don't care?

 

[Quick Hands]

completely wrong. The AAGPS convenor doesnt care about timing the GPS athletics season into rugby for the benefit of those boys who play both sports. The timing of the season is based in cohesion with that of the Athletics NSW season nothing more..

That's strange as according to the Athletics NSW website:

The NSW All Schools Track & Field Championships is our pinnacle competition for secondary school aged track and field athletes within NSW. It allows students from all sectors of the NSW Education System to compete against each other and progress to the National All Schools Championships. . In 2013 the NSW All Schools will run from October 10-13 at Sydney Olympic Park Athletic Centre.

http://nswathletics.org.au/Competitions/School-Competitions

Why would Athletics NSW want the GPS to run their competition in April/May when the pinnacle of school boy athletics run by Athletics NSW is in October?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

That's strange as according to the Athletics NSW website:

The NSW All Schools Track & Field Championships is our pinnacle competition for secondary school aged track and field athletes within NSW. It allows students from all sectors of the NSW Education System to compete against each other and progress to the National All Schools Championships. . In 2013 the NSW All Schools will run from October 10-13 at Sydney Olympic Park Athletic Centre.

http://nswathletics.org.au/Competitions/School-Competitions

Why would Athletics NSW want the GPS to run their competition in April/May when the pinnacle of school boy athletics run by Athletics NSW is in October?

to prevent world domination?

 

[oarsome]

Potential GPS 1's sides anybody? Here's my crack

1. Vunipola ? (Newington, unsure of name)
2. Matt Serhon (New - not sure if finished school)/Jono Burke (Kings)
3. Mitch Howden (View)
4. Koim Wingti (Joeys)
5. Toby Rudolf (Scots)
6. Jack Minke (View)
7. Charles Redden (View)
8. Angus Crighton (Scots)
9. Harry Emery (Shore)
10. Will McDonell/Connor O'Shea (both Joeys)
11. Latrell ? (Joeys)
12. T. Collins (unsure what school - great unders lines
13. Hutchison (View)
14. James Kane (Kings)
15. Simon Kennewell (New)

Possibly throw Jum Woodhill in there at 7

 

[ilive4315]

That's strange as according to the Athletics NSW website:

The NSW All Schools Track & Field Championships is our pinnacle competition for secondary school aged track and field athletes within NSW. It allows students from all sectors of the NSW Education System to compete against each other and progress to the National All Schools Championships. . In 2013 the NSW All Schools will run from October 10-13 at Sydney Olympic Park Athletic Centre.

http://nswathletics.org.au/Competitions/School-Competitions

Why would Athletics NSW want the GPS to run their competition in April/May when the pinnacle of school boy athletics run by Athletics NSW is in October?

my point exactly! if GPS Athletics was in october it wouldn't be coinciding with the NSW season rather interrupting an athletes preparation into yes correct what is the pinnacle of Athletics in NSW for a schoolboy junior, the all schools competition. You have walked into a dead end here @QuickHands

 

[lincoln]

to prevent world domination?

Nah - rowings more important than athletics - season starts late August at the serious schools. Ipso facto to have a semi-serious athletics comp requires an April/May season.

 

[NewMacca]

Potential GPS 1's sides anybody? Here's my crack

1. Vunipola ? (Newington, unsure of name)
2. Matt Serhon (New - not sure if finished school)/Jono Burke (Kings)
3. Mitch Howden (View)
4. Koim Wingti (Joeys)
5. Toby Rudolf (Scots)
6. Jack Minke (View)
7. Charles Redden (View)
8. Angus Crighton (Scots)
9. Harry Emery (Shore)
10. Will McDonell/Connor O'Shea (both Joeys)
11. Latrell ? (Joeys)
12. T. Collins (unsure what school - great unders lines
13. Hutchison (View)
14. James Kane (Kings)
15. Simon Kennewell (New)

Pesa Loga Tarogi (NEW) possible at wing or centre
Campbell Clifford (also new) somewhere in the back row providing he isn't injured before the games

 

[random2]

1. Vuni Fifita (New)
2. Evan Prichard (View)
3. Hosea Fotokuva (View)
4. Koim Wingti (Joeys)
5. Toby Rudolph (Scots)
6. George Lehmann (Kings)
7. Jum Woodhill (Shore)
8. Angus Crichton (Scots)
9. Harry Emery (Shore)
10. Connor O'Shea (Joeys)
11. Guy Porter (Scots)
12. Willo McDonnell (Joeys)
13. Henry Hutchinson (View)
14. Simon Kennewell (New)
15. James Kane (Kings)

 

[Whose That Guy]

1. Vuni Fifita (New)
2. Evan Prichard (View)
3. Hosea Fotokuva (View)
4. Koim Wingti (Joeys)
5. Toby Rudolph (Scots)
6. George Lehmann (Kings)
7. Jum Woodhill (Shore)
8. Angus Crichton (Scots)
9. Harry Emery (Shore)
10. Connor O'Shea (Joeys)
11. Guy Porter (Scots)
12. Willo McDonnell (Joeys)
13. Henry Hutchinson (View)
14. Simon Kennewell (New)
15. James Kane (Kings)

Few certains in there, but i think the exclusion of Bowditch and Freeman is very very interesting. In my opinion these two players will have a tremendous impact and shape the way Riverview goes in a way this year.

 

[Brian Westlake]

1. Vuni Fifita (New)
2. Evan Prichard (View)
3. Hosea Fotokuva (View)
4. Koim Wingti (Joeys)
5. Toby Rudolph (Scots)
6. George Lehmann (Kings)
7. Jum Woodhill (Shore)
8. Angus Crichton (Scots)
9. Harry Emery (Shore)
10. Connor O'Shea (Joeys)
11. Guy Porter (Scots)
12. Willo McDonnell (Joeys)
13. Henry Hutchinson (View)
14. Simon Kennewell (New)
15. James Kane (Kings)

Not bad R2, not bad. I will throw the spanner here with saying an uninjured Sedgman (scots) or Matt Serhon may be in front of Pritchard.
All are mobile, but I think Serhons set piece and Sedgmans throwing may be just a little in front. But in saying this, these three boys will all be in GPS. Just depends on the table of knowledge and who they want.
I will say that your choice of 12/13 will raise the ire of the kids across the creek as far as freeman goes too.
Crichton will be skipper and I am throwing Toby Rudolph in as vc ahead of Harry Emery. Rudolph has a massive future with the right mentor(s)