NSW AAGPS Rugby 2014

[outsideman]

What is joeys doing over break? Maybe not going on a South African tour might be a blessing.

Interested to hear a likely scots team? Seems to have been lot of info on shore team, but not much on the other contenders?

Ps impressive that the shore hooker has come from 15as. Don't see too many frontrowers leap frogging into the opens like that !

i assume they were just trialling the hooker, surely their not going to keep a 15's hooker up there with the big boys

 

[roosters2014]

The usual hooker is away

 

[sarcophilus]

Ps impressive that the shore hooker has come from 15as. Don't see too many frontrowers leap frogging into the opens like that !

This is really significantly less than impressive. Have the coaches at this place done any of the smart rugby courses, are they aware of the safety rules associated with playing up an age group particularly in the front row. so this fifteen year old has managed to complete the squat and bench press tests and have it all approved by the ARU bassed on his body mass and maturity, he has had significant high level representative exposure in his own age that would demonstrate has ability to cope with front row work
really, some ones ball bag should be turned into a coin purse over such careless player management

 

[roosters2014]

He would be playing 16's this year, it was done last year in the seconds with there hooker. He excelled there and nows hes in the firsts

 

[Inside Shoulder]

This is really significantly less than impressive. Have the coaches at this place done any of the smart rugby courses, are they aware of the safety rules associated with playing up an age group particularly in the front row. so this fifteen year old has managed to complete the squat and bench press tests and have it all approved by the ARU bassed on his body mass and maturity, he has had significant high level representative exposure in his own age that would demonstrate has ability to cope with front row work
really, some ones ball bag should be turned into a coin purse over such careless player management

Hold on.
does the kid need ARU approval: he is U16 this year playing opens, which is the next age group.
http://www.sarugby.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ARU2-Age-Grade-Two-Year-Window-Policy.pdf
Happens all the time: yr 11 kid, young for his year, play opens to get his 2 years in opens.

 

[sarcophilus]

Small improvement and more believable, the questions still stand as this is the rule for playing up 2 age groups, U/17 can play front row in u 18or u/15 in u16
u/16 need to be tested and approved by the ARU, I would be surprised if this process was completed so quickly. the formula is pretty simple a combination of skill and strength. though strangely enough favours smaller players as it is based on the % of body weight
an example an 88kg player would need to bench 20 x 52kg
@120kg a player would have to bench 20x72kg
it goes to 80% for squats

these rules also apply to u/18&19 playing opens I believe and can be checked with a detailed search

 

[sarcophilus]

looking at the example provided agrees with my point
an under 12 player must apply for u14 status
an under 16 must apply for 1stXV (an U18 comp) not the next age which would be u/17
the two year window is the age group you are in and the age group above by the example provided on the form you posted

 

[sarcophilus]

as it is on a case by case basisyou may find 2nd or 3rd Xv are rated as equal to u/17

 

[Wood Rat]

This is not significantly uncommon, and an u16 player can be fifteen until 30th December, the point of difference here is the rules for front row players. Watching a couple of u16 players ( front rowers) go through the testing last year the process described is reasonably accurate, the original rugby mum asked for clarification over the same concerns the year before.
I try not to be an interfering parent but I do take notice of processes and rules as they are there for the protection of the players as well as coaches and the
school/club. I am not sure that the suggested punishment is condoned or listed in the rules, for failing to follow the guidelines, but if something goes wrong, I would not like to be the transgressors .

 

[lineoutjumper]

Jake Hedge is the shore hooker playing for there 1stXV- although he should be in the 16s this year- a very strong player in his age group playing for Sydney Reps last year and again was very strong last year in the GPS 15s comp

 

[fireball]

Agree. Hedge is a very strong aggressive and determined player. He gives away very little in size for a hooker and nothing in heart. Despite his age he would challenge for a firsts or seconds spot in any GPS side. Good luck to him.

 

[old fella]

In a world where ALL the teams go on trips interstate or overseas, where training is sophisticated and constant, where coaching is specialist..for ALL the teams, your statement , IS, belongs to a time now long past.
Respects to you.

As we speak, the SGS boys in perth are abseiling and/or kayaking or some such things whilst on a Rugby tour. If only I had known that such brevity was impermissible in the world of the gladiatorial GPS athlete as described by you, I would never have permitted my son to engage in such shenanigans. Is it ok if the boys have a red hot go at the HSC, or does that also break the "sophisticated and constant" training rule?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

It is not common to have 15 year olds (Under 16's) in Under 18 football (1st XV), especially at the "big" rugby schools but it is not unheard of either. Many of the boys who make it to NSW Schools Under 16's teams in the past have either been regular 1st XV players, or have made regular cameos for the 1st XV off the bench from 16A's.

To the best of my knowledge in each of those cases, the paperwork for the 2 year window has been completed.

As others have pointed out, if this lad is a front rower, there is a far more onerous physical assessment needed to be carried out, and signed off by ARU, to obtain clearance to play Front Row two age grades higher.

This also applies for high school boys playing Colts.

Bottom line: It is much easier for 15 year old players to play Open Age Schoolboy rugby if they are in any position other than the Front Row.

 

[Quick Hands]

As we speak, the SGS boys in perth are abseiling and/or kayaking or some such things whilst on a Rugby tour. If only I had known that such brevity was impermissible in the world of the gladiatorial GPS athlete as described by you, I would never have permitted my son to engage in such shenanigans. Is it ok if the boys have a red hot go at the HSC, or does that also break the "sophisticated and constant" training rule?

What, you mean they spent time not involved in rugby drills, video analysis, ice baths and altitude chambers? And they call themselves rugby players. They next thing someone will suggest letting young people have a childhood again and play sport for fun.

This type of heresy needs to be stamped out.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

As we speak, the SGS boys in perth are abseiling and/or kayaking or some such things whilst on a Rugby tour. If only I had known that such brevity was impermissible in the world of the gladiatorial GPS athlete as described by you, I would never have permitted my son to engage in such shenanigans. Is it ok if the boys have a red hot go at the HSC, or does that also break the "sophisticated and constant" training rule?

What, you mean they spent time not involved in rugby drills, video analysis, ice baths and altitude chambers? And they call themselves rugby players. They next thing someone will suggest letting young people have a childhood again and play sport for fun.

This type of heresy needs to be stamped out.

I've heard on the grape vine that some play a summer sport and do athletics.
How will they ever get anywhere in sport doing that?

 

[tavytoo]

I've heard on the grape vine that some play a summer sport and do athletics.
How will they ever get anywhere in sport doing that?

it means by the time rugby comes around again they are much fitter than the rest and they are usually backs anyway and often at the top of their age groups at state and even national athletics.

 

[Quick Hands]

I've heard on the grape vine that some play a summer sport and do athletics.
How will they ever get anywhere in sport doing that?

I assume that most of the adults contributing to these threads went to school and played sport when they were kids. I'll bet no-one put this pressure on them to be mini-rugby machines from the time they could walk. From where has this idea sprung?

I think that some of them really want a sort of rugby agoge where boys spent their days playing rugby from the age of 7 until they are 20, with some rudimentary literacy and numeracy thrown in as an extra.

 

[spirit of cupertino]

No doubt that the GPS 1sts competition has become too high stakes for the good of it's participants.

When you consider the other threats they face: the infinite violence shrunk down to the size of a ritalin tablet, the vast machine called HSC with its false hopes and fears (study real hard, get 99 and get to do a sports journalist course at UTS), the unquestioned values of search-engine-answers to all their troubles, I would hesitating disagree with you.

 

[George Proctor]

I'm a bit curious. Can anyone please answer me this, Will anyone from Riverview 16A's last year have any chance of making into the potential/much favoured 1stXV. Im pretty sure they went 0 for 10 even Newington and Shore, who had weaker sides, managed to outplay them.

Despite this, I do remember watching a very handy little half back and a talented number 8

 

[Tahspark]

As often happens over the life of a thread there are Groundhog days. In response to your query George Proctor, I'll defer to footychixbeers' prediction at post #39 last August:

From the current 16A's; I predict 0

There are too many contenders who've already excelled in the opens. Only a wretched run of injuries will see any of last year's 16A's pull on a 1sts jumper this year.