NSW AAGPS Rugby 2014

[NewMacca]

I Like to watch
http://portals.studentnet.edu.au/sports/uploads/DocArchive/DOCARC0003804.htm
7 points after 5 games in second, they were on 7 points at the end of the season. I think that constitutes a promising start?

 

[Quick Hands]

Newmacca, I assume that you are one of the 11 brave souls who have tipped NC to win. Best of luck to you and the players. If they manage to finish in the top 3 with players drawn from last year's 2nds, 3rds and 16As, then the coaching staff deserve full recognition.

Sadly for NC supporters, I suspect that they are more likely than not to be battling Shore for 5th and 6th. The simple fact of the matter is that on previous form the players eligible for 1st XV this year aren't in the same class as those players who have left school at the end of 2013. Nothing wrong with this, it's part of the normal turnover of school players.

However they go, I'm sure they'll do the school proud.

 

[blastblastbronco]

What are the various opinions regarding a GPS/CAS/ISA merge?

 

[I like to watch]

GPS supporters are deadset against it.
CAS supporters think combining the CAS & GPS comps has merit.
ISA supporters are keen.
Most believe it's a bridge too far.

 

[The Incredible Plan]

Play each traditional comp first half of season then have a graded GPS/CAS/ISA comp based on the results in each trad comp in second half of season. Apologies if previously suggested.


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[counter_ruck]

Surely QLD GPS should be involved as well in some shape or form? They are the premier schoolboy comp in Australia after all


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[Quick Hands]

GPS would be mostly against as rugby is but one of the sports that they play against each other. The issue doesn't really come up in relation to the other sports.

While the CAS has some similarities to the GPS, the ISA is completely different. It has full members and associate members and schools cherry pick which sports they do and don't play. Some ISA schools are ISA for some sports and CCC or AICES for other sports.

 

[formerflanker]

What are the various opinions regarding a GPS/CAS/ISA merge?

If not a merger, then....

Can you imagine a double header at North Sydney Oval one Friday arvo/night immediately after the GPS and CAS comps had finished: GPS 1st place getter v CAS 1st place getter with the curtain raiser being GPS 2nd v CAS 2nd. Great rugby and great rivalry would ensure a massive crowd. Plenty of parents, heaps of schoolboys, scouts from grade and colts, and the "old school tie brigade" would flock in after work from North Sydney, the city and Chatswood. The scene would be set!
All we need is a sponsor and the willingness of the schools. Not an insurmountable task.

 

[I like to watch]

A sponsor?
For what?

 

[formerflanker]

A sponsor?
For what?

To pay for all the up-front costs (e.g. hire of ground; advertising) before the crowd pays at the gate.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Stop drinking the kool aid.
This is schoolboy sport played as an adjunct to complete a well rounded education.
It's not an extended careers night or work experience.

 

[GPS Observer]

In a world where ALL the teams go on trips interstate or overseas, where training is sophisticated and constant, where coaching is specialist....for ALL the teams, your statement , IS, belongs to a time now long past.
Respects to you.

 

[I like to watch]

ALL teams?
There is a big wide world out there,beyond your limited,insular life experiences to date.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

In a world where ALL the teams go on trips interstate or overseas, where training is sophisticated and constant, where coaching is specialist..for ALL the teams, your statement , IS, belongs to a time now long past.
Respects to you.

That's all part of the insular world ILTW refers to but it doesn't make this a comp worthy of MLB double header status.
I think too many people are believing their own publicity - and i don't necessarily mean you.
I'll resort (as it seems i do every year around about now) to quoting J A R Mackellar

To win, or lose, and recognize at length
The game the thing; the rest, a circumstance.

 

[Brian Westlake]

What are the various opinions regarding a GPS/CAS/ISA merge?

Why?

To pay for all the up-front costs (e.g. hire of ground; advertising) before the crowd pays at the gate.

Why?
It is school sport. An adjunct to the pupils education.

Oops beaten to it by IS.

The ONLY people that want this don't seem to provide any valid thoughts on why

 

[Brian Westlake]

In a world where ALL the teams go on trips interstate or overseas, where training is sophisticated and constant, where coaching is specialist..for ALL the teams, your statement , IS, belongs to a time now long past.
Respects to you.

I can just see it GPSO.... Sitting on a bar stool, twenty years from now... Reminiscing how you once played on North Sydney oval as a lead up to a CAS v GPS first XV game. Your friend/colleague/barfly/indifferent patron looks at you and asks gravely "Haven't you moved on Gps? it was twenty years ago. You have done nothing since... Move on mate"


This is what Inside Shoulder et al ARE on about... Myself included.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

The Waratah Shield is a competition designed to establish the "Best" School 1st XV in NSW/ACT for that year.

The fact that all AAGPS Schools and most CAS schools choose not to enter that competition suggests that the respective heads see no point in participating in any more games than the school is already committed to as part of their Association.

The sporting calendar is already very tight at the member schools, with many trials games conducted while boys are still at Athletics, cadet camps and the like.

 

[Quick Hands]

As someone on the Decline of Sydney Juniors thread said, this idea that everyone who laces up a football boot does so because they want to be on some elite pathway is flawed. 99% of boys actually start playing because they like the game and/or want to run around with their mates. I played rugby from when I was 5 until well into my 30s, never at any point did I have some sort of target of playing in some sort of elite pathway. I wasn't good enough anyway, but I played with guys who played Australian schools and went on to play 1st grade and they weren't thinking of those things when we were 10 either.

This el Dorado of the pathway is just that, a complete myth in the mind of adults who live in some sort of parallel universe. Rugby has more representative levels than any sport I know - we actually need less not more at junior and school level.

Schoolboy league and soccer seem to get by without all this hype, why are rugby people obsessed with it?

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

What is joeys doing over break? Maybe not going on a South African tour might be a blessing.

Interested to hear a likely scots team? Seems to have been lot of info on shore team, but not much on the other contenders?

Ps impressive that the shore hooker has come from 15as. Don't see too many frontrowers leap frogging into the opens like that !

 

[outsideman]

anyone have any idea of what the scots lineup is looking like ?