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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Except I for one do not accept that he had a bad game at all. I had no issues with him even in relation to the event that has attracted so much attention.
His authority was undermined by the actions discussed.
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Except I for one do not accept that he had a bad game at all. I had no issues with him even in relation to the event that has attracted so much attention.
His authority was undermined by the actions discussed.
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Sydney Middleton (9)
I suggest you read what was written more carefully
I did not mention coaching but now that you bring it up I have coached many school teams in the country, not because of "parental over involvement" but because of parental "uninvolvement"
There is a difference between being involved for the sake of the game and the kids and standing on the sideline pushing your own child's attributes. If it was not for the volunteers in the game it would die out in areas where other football codes are supported by money from their seniors codes. Not every parent is a baddie!
P.S. I also do a lot for rugby away from the school arena.
The drop in school supporters for GPS games will continue as the top end of the competition becomes more professional. Many kids and parents in some of the GPS schools feel disconnected from this culture. As to the moving of teams around between the firsts to thirds, this is the landscape that the GPS has elected to create by refusing to divisionalise. The rational and obvious solution is to divisionalise ISA/CAS/GPS so as to minimise the chaos of GPS schools playing multiple schools. By refusing to change in the name of "tradition", tradition is eroded.
Sorry LG.
Completely agree. When a player(s) is in danger of being harmed is it not human nature (for some) to come to their aid? Obviously there is a rule against coaches intruding on the game, but when a boy, who is under their duty of care, is being harmed and a fight between 30 testosterone filled boys breaks out, surely it is understandable that a coach, on either side, should intervene. A single referee or even his assistants with him, in some cases may not have the ability to halt the fight - this being one of those cases. It is SCHOOL boy rugby so why not have a SCHOOL related individual have a presence when a rare case like this occurs otherwise this aggressive scuffle could have taken a turn for the worse for any player on either side.
May I reiterate my apologies to LG.
Nice sucking up but I don't have a problem with a general case (really general, and without having a go at the comments of anybody else) — and apologies if I zapped some when I was on my high horse. But the discussion on Saturday night about the particulars of a fight and the savage rebuttals and counter-arguments were white-anting the thread.
When schools threads get corrupted by toxic material the whole Schoolboy Rugby forum is called into question; so it has to be addressed early in a thread; right or wrong.
LG
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I detected that you felt particularly worthy.
One of the purposes of education is to allow one's children to learn to fend for themselves in an environment over which their parents have no direct control and, hopefully, little or no indirect control.
It is good training for life.
Parents seldom have all the answers but you may be an exception.
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Completely agree on Sorovi, but perhaps with such a fiery backline they will be more inclined to pick Short who can provide cleaner ball to Deegan/Third
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Arch Winning (36)
I know that the behaviour of players really needs to be looked at in all aspects. Not once in my time was swearing allowed on the field. (Cricket AND Rugby). It is common place today, derision of anyone was dealt swiftly from within your own, and this is missing today sadly.
Please be Gentlemen of the AAGPS that will be remembered for the right reasons. I'll probably get snipped for overt reminiscence...
Reminiscence is OK so long as you weren't smiling at the time. This is banned.
LG
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Sydney Middleton (9)
This statement is so far off the mark it is not worth an argument.
I will leave you to believe what you will
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John Eales (66)
I was talking to "George Smith" on the matter and agree what he said: that Lussick may have been a better bet as a robust player to get into the faces of the Kiwis (on either attack or defence) and act as a 4th backrower kind of scrummie - at least as one of the two no.9s.
Sure, I know that Oz Schools have done well against the Kiwis without that kind of scrummie and I know the arguments against what I have written as well as anybody, because I have written them myself, but Lussick has that 'big match player' vibe about him.
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David Codey (61)
I would have picked the Qld kid with Lussick as the back up.
He will get his chance to impress in the A's team.
plenty of kids have been moved out of the A's into the top side.
He will get his chance to impress in the A's team.
plenty of kids have been moved out of the A's into the top side.
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Chris McKivat (8)
Having seen both Scots & New halves this season, i agree the Lussick is very strong running at the base, however his passing game is poor, for someone in a position designed to be a distributer. I would almost rather him play at 6 so he can do what he is best at, and not have the responsibility to pass.
What Short brings, and it is noticable with Scots game play is a lightning fast pass off both hands, that hits the mark 99 times out of 100, which is what the backs need to pumove forward, and with guys like Jones, Kellaway and the bash brothers, i am fine with a half and 5/8 who are going to feed that sort of strike power, rather then kill it and play in tight.
As an aside, and i assume News coach watched this in the Scots game, as he coaches the Aus Schools. Bashing into the forwards all day with a pick and drive is not going to win a GPS comp let alone an Aus v NZ test. I would bank on the coaches wanting a lightning fast pass from their half, even at the expense of a running game, and a 5/8 who will distribute and set up his outside men, not look to do the flashy stuff himself! That said, Short & Deegan have shown already at NSW level they are a great combo and can seriously unlock those boys outside them. When Lussick ahd his chance, albeit with a different 5/8 (so not comparing squares and squares), the backline didnt flow quite as well.
Short will do just fine i think, lets just hope the coaches want to run the ball and not play pick and smash!!
What Short brings, and it is noticable with Scots game play is a lightning fast pass off both hands, that hits the mark 99 times out of 100, which is what the backs need to pumove forward, and with guys like Jones, Kellaway and the bash brothers, i am fine with a half and 5/8 who are going to feed that sort of strike power, rather then kill it and play in tight.
As an aside, and i assume News coach watched this in the Scots game, as he coaches the Aus Schools. Bashing into the forwards all day with a pick and drive is not going to win a GPS comp let alone an Aus v NZ test. I would bank on the coaches wanting a lightning fast pass from their half, even at the expense of a running game, and a 5/8 who will distribute and set up his outside men, not look to do the flashy stuff himself! That said, Short & Deegan have shown already at NSW level they are a great combo and can seriously unlock those boys outside them. When Lussick ahd his chance, albeit with a different 5/8 (so not comparing squares and squares), the backline didnt flow quite as well.
Short will do just fine i think, lets just hope the coaches want to run the ball and not play pick and smash!!
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'll give the Scots u16 half a wrap too: haven't seen the 1sts boy.
Don't tell me someone in aus rugby is finally looking to develop 9'sinstead of as well as 10's.
Don't tell me someone in aus rugby is finally looking to develop 9's
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Chris McKivat (8)
IS i don't know if someone is actively developing them, but for the first time in a long time, the powers above that select are finally picking a team to compliment each other, rather then picking maybe the "best"player who isnt going to compliment those around him. Watching the NSW side, i can tell you the extra time the centres and fullback had courtesy of Short and Deegan playing fast wide ball, caused headaches for all of their opponents.
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John Eales (66)
Good post up above Buster. It's good to talk about rugby and not the other stuff.
I've got nothing against Short: I can't remember a better Schools' passing scrummie than he is, though Stirzacker and Turner were pretty good.
But playing against Kiwi teams and the U/18 sides (not schools sides) they will meet in Europe, sometimes you need a robust scrummie.
The Oz scrummies will be getting the scrappiest ball they have ever known, and if passing is not on for even a good passer, you have to be good at doing other things. Plus if you don't run enough compared to another bloke you don't second guess the backrowers enough.
I would certainly take Lussick to Europe as his union game is made for the conditions at that time of the year.
His shortcoming, compared to Short, is his passing, as we have said, and because of this he is always looking for the run first if there is a choice. Accordingly his pass is delayed compared to that of Short and he has the baggage that comes with that.
But for the heavy conditions in the NH against blokes who have been in regional academies and their weights room for a couple of years, and who would be working full-time on S&C for the best part of six months since they left school, by the time our blokes arrives, I would prefer Joey Lussick warts and all.
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I've got nothing against Short: I can't remember a better Schools' passing scrummie than he is, though Stirzacker and Turner were pretty good.
But playing against Kiwi teams and the U/18 sides (not schools sides) they will meet in Europe, sometimes you need a robust scrummie.
The Oz scrummies will be getting the scrappiest ball they have ever known, and if passing is not on for even a good passer, you have to be good at doing other things. Plus if you don't run enough compared to another bloke you don't second guess the backrowers enough.
I would certainly take Lussick to Europe as his union game is made for the conditions at that time of the year.
His shortcoming, compared to Short, is his passing, as we have said, and because of this he is always looking for the run first if there is a choice. Accordingly his pass is delayed compared to that of Short and he has the baggage that comes with that.
But for the heavy conditions in the NH against blokes who have been in regional academies and their weights room for a couple of years, and who would be working full-time on S&C for the best part of six months since they left school, by the time our blokes arrives, I would prefer Joey Lussick warts and all.
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Buster
Chris McKivat (8)
LG, i agree completely regarding playing the man for the conditions. I didnt see much of the QLD half, but if it is a skinny squad going (and provided the ARU guys have no issue with the contracts that Joey has with the dark side), i wouldn't be apposed to seeing Lussick and Short rotate conditions depending.
This has also got me thinking. If the 23 remains as it is for the tour (assuming no changes), another 7 or so will get picked to go too. What positions and is anyone game enough to throw a name forward. Ill have first shot at one bloke who i think will be on the plane in one of the extra jupmers, Kamp from Scots has been nothing short of brilliant for the past few weeks and can cover all backrow spots, and the locks at a pinch (given the love affair with picking bakcrowers as locks). I think Kamp will be there or thereabouts. Any others?
This has also got me thinking. If the 23 remains as it is for the tour (assuming no changes), another 7 or so will get picked to go too. What positions and is anyone game enough to throw a name forward. Ill have first shot at one bloke who i think will be on the plane in one of the extra jupmers, Kamp from Scots has been nothing short of brilliant for the past few weeks and can cover all backrow spots, and the locks at a pinch (given the love affair with picking bakcrowers as locks). I think Kamp will be there or thereabouts. Any others?
Buster
Chris McKivat (8)
On a slight tangent, did anyone see Dempsey and Horwitz play for the Tahs side in Argentina on the weekend. From the highlights package i got my mits on, Horwitz looked the goods!! And Dempsey held his own for a young bloke against some monsters. Great to see young school boys making the leap.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I like Deegan too - I like the fact that he doesnt overplay his hand.
I must have seen Short at the Nationals now that I think about it
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Chris McKivat (8)
I agree, he managed the game well with two sides that were going at each other quite hard for most of the game
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David Wilson (68)
Shore quite weak in this 15s age group as evidenced by their As loss to the Glengarry depleted Scots As.
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