NSW AAGPS Rugby 2013

[Jim Belshaw]

Is there a link you could post - totally surprised at how quickly the pieces appear to have fallen into place and been agreed.

I picked up your the story here - http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/nsw-gps-its-changed-again/

 

[Jim Belshaw]

TAS are of the impression that their 2012 year was "unusually strong" and that being in the 3rd XV tournament for 2013 would be a fairer reflection of their sustainable talent. This was their call but personally I would have liked for them to stretch themselves and stay in the 2nds XV comp. History shows that when setting higher goals and playing harder games then your own performance gets better over the long term.

I have to agree. Still, I guess it's the school's call. We will soon know! As a long standing if now distant member of the TAS seconds, never made the firsts, we may not have been in the comp but we always played at the same level and did win sometimes as we did in our irregular matches against the associated schools. I remember playing against Cranbrook. We were comfortably in front and then my fellow prop started singing the Cranbrook song when the scrum was packing. Cranbrook ignited, and we were very lucky to get away with a win! Nostalgia!

 

[Bowside]

Just read Lee Grants article about the schoolboy restructuring on the front page and found it very interesting.

About a year ago now when the QLD GPS moved from a term 2 competition to a term 3 competition, I wrote a post calling for a new separate schoolboy competition to be played in term 2. I envisaged that such a comp would put together 'conferences' of 8-9 schools based on geographical area. The conferences would include schools from the GPS, AIC, TAS as well as state high schools. The idea was that any school that could put together a rugby team should be able to compete.

The reasoning for such a comp were numerious:

• To provide a meaningful competition for schools that don't currently have any competition in which to field a team i.e. state high schools
• To give QLD schoolboys selectors a basis from which to select their team (seeing as no meaningful fixtures would be played before the schoolboy carnival)
• To provide a round of trial games for the big private schools so they could test combinations and players in order to fine tune the team for the GPS/CAS/whatever season in term 3.

Would be interested to hear the opinion of NSW posters regarding the validity of such a competition if it were to be set up in sydney. It seems like the schoolboy system is sydney faces many of the same challenges as the one in brisbane faces - especially when picking rep teams.

 

[Jim Belshaw]

Just read Lee Grants article about the schoolboy restructuring on the front page and found it very interesting.

About a year ago now when the QLD GPS moved from a term 2 competition to a term 3 competition, I wrote a post calling for a new separate schoolboy competition to be played in term 2. I envisaged that such a comp would put together 'conferences' of 8-9 schools based on geographical area. The conferences would include schools from the GPS, AIC, TAS as well as state high schools. The idea was that any school that could put together a rugby team should be able to compete.....

Would be interested to hear the opinion of NSW posters regarding the validity of such a competition if it were to be set up in sydney. It seems like the schoolboy system is sydney faces many of the same challenges as the one in brisbane faces - especially when picking rep teams.

Interesting idea, but another variant. There is an entire Rugby world outside Sydney or Brisbane that rarely gets mentioned. You have to read things like the TAS web site or the country media to see it. There was once discussion on this forum that essentially said that TAS boys had no rep chances because TAS did not play in the GPS first comp. That's just not true. A TAS player actually has lots of rep chances, it's just a different stream.

So a Northern NSW, Southern Queensland non metro comp might actually make a lot of sense.

 

[Bowside]

Interesting idea, but another variant. There is an entire Rugby world outside Sydney or Brisbane that rarely gets mentioned. You have to read things like the TAS web site or the country media to see it. There was once discussion on this forum that essentially said that TAS boys had no rep chances because TAS did not play in the GPS first comp. That's just not true. A TAS player actually has lots of rep chances, it's just a different stream.

So a Northern NSW, Southern Queensland non metro comp might actually make a lot of sense.

There would be a lot of flexibility in where you set up conferences. I would imagine if the idea every came to fruition there would be multiple different conferences within the cities, and then you could (to use the qld example) have a conference on the darling downs, gold coast, sunshine coast, etc. Even cairns and Townsville could have comps if enough schools could put out a rugby team.

 

[random2]

This team will get touched up big time in first half of the season with some 'heartening results' but mostly all losses. Then after the school holiday break which will allow them to recover somewhat will then win some of the games that they lost in the first round.

This will be compounded when the Clancy boys play higher rep honors and the 'reserves' will be found wanting Big Time. Shore is like the Wallabies.good skill in top XV but chronically lacking in depth!

I think Shore are going to be very competitive next year and if i were a 1st XV coach id be taking the fixture at Northbridge as the danger game of the season. Early call says theyll beat Newington at home.

 

[Jim Belshaw]

There would be a lot of flexibility in where you set up conferences. I would imagine if the idea every came to fruition there would be multiple different conferences within the cities, and then you could (to use the qld example) have a conference on the darling downs, gold coast, sunshine coast, etc. Even cairns and Townsville could have comps if even school could put out a rugby team.

I think that's probably right, but you have to consider a scale element and also the need to accommodate overlapping comps. For example, TAS wouldn't give up the GPS. It's fought pretty hard over the years to have its place recognised. There is a natural axis between Toowoomba in the north, Armidale in the south plus nearby places like Warwick or Tamworth that would actually form a base without precluding participation in either Sydney or Brisbane comps. TAS in 2012 plays many of the same teams that we did in my now ancient time. This year I watched TAS play Downlands at the OBU weekend.

 

[Bowside]

TAS wouldn't have to give up the GPS, because the comp would be played in term 2 before the gps starts.

(In my original post I was referring to TAS - the competition, not TAS - the school. Hope there is no confusion there.)

 

[gilbert15]

City v Country
. Some are even 4th generation at Kings. I even hear that Burke (entered in 2012) had a grandfather or such at the school.

smells like a school promoted myth to deflect from the fact that he entered in yr10 and went into the 1st's displacing a competent long serving player!

 

[Quick Hands]

We seem to have drifted a bit off topic, but from what I have heard and read it seems like we could be in for a 1st XV competition in which any of the 6 teams could win.

Interesting to read of the loose alliance between SHS, SGS and Shore in an earlier thread.

In my opinion, Shore will always be competitive because of their pro-rugby demographic made up largely of sons of old boys. Not sure how their coaching system is set up, but it might be an area in which they could improve. (Has to be systematic 13s to opens)

Joeys have had in place a 13s to opens skills and development programme in place for decades which is the main reason why their teams are always competitive. If you look at recent staff and teaching appointments Scots, New & Kings, they seem to have realised this (Tim Rapp at NC last year, Greg Mumm at TKS and a few years ago now Andrew Cleverley at TSC). If you look at their age group results from this year, Scots are strong all the way down to 13s (except 15s Glengarry year).

Get your coaching system/programme right and most of the rest will follow.

 

[Brian Westlake]

OK - will watch with interest!. I just think that it may rob TKS of a real "playmaker" and also his kicking game! Cheers, Wreckless

Dear Wreckless

One thinks that the TKS boys aren't blocked ATM.

 

[Brian Westlake]

smells like a school promoted myth to deflect from the fact that he entered in yr10 and went into the 1st's displacing a competent long serving player!

Just because the kid doesn't have the last name as many other previous, doesn't mean they don't have history gilbert... I know many a young man following tradition at TKS,SJC and SIC for starters. Has it occurred to you that these young men have mothers???? (Whose dad/grand dads might be old boys?)

 

[Brian Westlake]

George Smith re posts #393 and #395.

Talking to yourself - the first sign of ..?

Harsh Mr Jarse, Harsh. Fair though I might add.

 

[Playmaker]

smells like a school promoted myth to deflect from the fact that he entered in yr10 and went into the 1st's displacing a competent long serving player!

Gilbert, Ive heard is a great kid, he is also apparently quite the cricketer, a source tells me that he was a key member of a TKS team to roll SBHS for 0. Can anyone confirm????

 

[George Smith]

Harsh Mr Jarse, Harsh. Fair though I might add.

gents, is the criticism here due to referring to oneself in the third person (aka TFF) or the 'posters' error of not making a definitive statement but throwing some musings 'out there' to see who catches them?

 

[George Smith]

Can anyone tell me the playing experience, coaching experience and accreditation of the senior coaches, MIC rugby and Devt coaches at each of the GPS (& CAS, ISA) schools?

TKS - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>
TKS - MICR - Stephen James, Wallaby, L2
TKS - Devt - Greg Mumm, Wallaby, L2, Waratah/SU coach
TKS - Devt - James Hilgendorf, Rebels, Western Force, Aust Schoolboy
SJC - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>
NC - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>
TSC - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>
Shore - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>
SGS - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>
SHS - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>
TAS - 1xtXV coach - <name, experience, accreditation>

etc

 

[Hugh Jarse]

George Smith that would be a useful exercise, and I know that the 1st XV is important, but what I wax on about is that development is not just something that happens at 1st XV and 16 A level.

As Joeys have been doing for years, Player development starts in the 13's and IMHO is more critical here than teaching a new lineout or backline move the the 1st XV or 2nd XV. From the 13's right through to the 1st XV and onwards to Colts and Grade. That is a strong message that is in the Arbib report on Rugby governance.

The MIC Rugby at the Schools should be ensuring that the littlies in the 13's and 14's and the battlers in the various D's and E's teams get the best available coaching, and just don't get saddled with a disinterested Drama teacher who has been press ganged into the coaching position.

It is the depth of skills development at the School that impressess me more than the CV's of the staff assigned to the First XV. It does help however if the 1st Xv and 16 A's are doing OK.

 

[scaraby]

George Smith that would be a useful exercise, and I know that the 1st XV is important, but what I wax on about is that development is not just something that happens at 1st XV and 16 A level.

As Joeys have been doing for years, Player development starts in the 13's and IMHO is more critical here than teaching a new lineout or backline move the the 1st XV or 2nd XV. From the 13's right through to the 1st XV and onwards to Colts and Grade. That is a strong message that is in the Arbib report on Rugby governance.

The MIC Rugby at the Schools should be ensuring that the littlies in the 13's and 14's and the battlers in the various D's and E's teams get the best available coaching, and just don't get saddled with a disinterested Drama teacher who has been press ganged into the coaching position.

It is the depth of skills development at the School that impressess me more than the CV's of the staff assigned to the First XV. It does help however if the 1st Xv and 16 A's are doing OK.

Andrew Cleverley(mic) runs U13s at Scots..Marcus Blackburn spends a lot of time with the littlies..Scots starts at yr 3 Prep BTW not U13s

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Good fellow is A Cleverley. Along with M Bell, GM at Parra 2 Blues, rugby is in good hands while these two characters are involved.

There are plenty of other similar "heros" out there in rugbydom, but IMHO these two stand out.

 

[Brian Westlake]

gents, is the criticism here due to referring to oneself in the third person (aka TFF) or the 'posters' error of not making a definitive statement but throwing some musings 'out there' to see who catches them?

Dear George
I am sure that HJ would never refer to himself in the 3rd person....
Whereas Brian Westlake is so superficially shallow and bereft of talent/knowledge that he really doesn't know how to expand his brand....
Always in humour
R
Brian

P. And thanks IS. Got it but someone chopped it