NSW AAGPS 2018

[Rich_E]

Congratulations to Angus Crichton (Scots 2014) for making NSW SOO bench.
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[WLF]

Congratulations to Angus Crichton (Scots 2014) for making NSW SOO bench.
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Ditto, well done Angus C. quite unbelievable.
Clearly he has maturity beyond his age.

Go the Blues!

 

[rod skellet]

Yes Rod, ie 100% correct, and the Barker and Aloys sides that year were red hot, particularly the Aloys side, they also beat Joeys. The CAS combined side also defeated the GPS side 24-13, that year had a number of very good sides in both comps, which doesn't happen every year.

Yes I recall a Barker player called David Wall was pretty handy that year. A winger or outside back.

 

[rod skellet]

Congratulations to Angus Crichton (Scots 2014) for making NSW SOO bench.
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Looking forward to his return to Rugby. The Tahs and Wallabies could do with some extra depth.

 

[WLF]

Yes I recall a Barker player called David Wall was pretty handy that year. A winger or outside back.

Yes Rod, outside centre very strong and fast,great athlete, how funny, I marked him and it wasn't much fun!

 

[cyclopath]

Looking forward to his return to Rugby. The Tahs and Wallabies could do with some extra depth.

Any reason to think he would come back to rugby? The kind of money he is on now is likely to be a diminishing possibility in rugby in Oz, and getting into SOO puts him on a greater upward trajectory. I'd love to see him in rugby, but I'm not optimistic it would happen.

 

[rod skellet]

Any reason to think he would come back to rugby? The kind of money he is on now is likely to be a diminishing possibility in rugby in Oz, and getting into SOO puts him on a greater upward trajectory. I'd love to see him in rugby, but I'm not optimistic it would happen.

It was really just wishful thinking

 

[Rich_E]

Any reason to think he would come back to rugby? The kind of money he is on now is likely to be a diminishing possibility in rugby in Oz, and getting into SOO puts him on a greater upward trajectory. I'd love to see him in rugby, but I'm not optimistic it would happen.

My mail is 'never say never', but I'd have to agree a return to rugby one day is looking increasingly less likely now.
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[Black & White]

^^^I couldn't help but notice at Queen's Park yesterday that there were an awful lot of soccer fields and soccer games - emphasis on awful. Even those who play in schoolboy soccer will tell you that the standard is way below club level. Aussie rules is worse.

Soccer also attracts the uncommitted non-sporting types who just need to fulfil a sporting commitment at school.

It also attracts more teachers as coaching a soccer team is easier, than a rugby team. As the rugby coach has to coach both the forwards and backs. In many cases therefore a rugby team requires two coaches to be a well-drilled outfit. In many schools, the less motivated teachers as like students, are presence in the soccer program.

Also, teachers are supposedly recruited for their teaching expertise, hence schools now indirectly recruit less sports inclined individuals.This issue is but one reason, why Rugby numbers are down and soccer numbers up. In the past schools would directly advertise, that the ability to coach rugby would be a distinct advantage in applying for a position. This rarely happens now.

It is one thing to have a liberal choice in a school sports program, another to have unmotivated teachers and students.

 

[Sparkle Motion]

^^^I couldn't help but notice at Queen's Park yesterday that there were an awful lot of soccer fields and soccer games - emphasis on awful. Even those who play in schoolboy soccer will tell you that the standard is way below club level. Aussie rules is worse.

Soccer attracts the uncommitted non-sporting types who just need to fulfil a sporting commitment at school.

I think that's 100% correct for Aussie rules and soccer. But the relatively high standard of schoolboy rugby may also be a reflection of the current standard of club rugby (especially youth) and the investment of the powers that be in the grassroots.

 

[Quick Hands]

I think that's 100% correct for Aussie rules and soccer. But the relatively high standard of schoolboy rugby may also be a reflection of the current standard of club rugby (especially youth) and the investment of the powers that be in the grassroots.

Or lack of investment by the powers that be in the grassroots.

 

[Quick Hands]

It also attracts more teachers as coaching a soccer team is easier, than a rugby team. As the rugby coach has to coach both the forwards and backs. In many cases therefore a rugby team requires two coaches to be a well-drilled outfit. In many schools, the less motivated teachers as like students, are presence in the soccer program.

Also, teachers are supposedly recruited for their teaching expertise, hence schools now indirectly recruit less sports inclined individuals.This issue is but one reason, why Rugby numbers are down and soccer numbers up. In the past schools would directly advertise, that the ability to coach rugby would be a distinct advantage in applying for a position. This rarely happens now.

It is one thing to have a liberal choice in a school sports program, another to have unmotivated teachers and students.

Pretty much any other sport at schools can be coached by anyone - not necessarily coached well, but coached without putting player safety at risk. However, coaching rugby requires the ability to teach players how to execute certain skills to a certain level of proficiency otherwise there is a real risk of serious injury to the participants. So pretty much any teacher can run the 13F soccer or basketball or volleyball or water polo teasm - they might not win a game, but there's little risk of serious injury. But the person coaching the 13F rugby team needs some technical knowlege.

In the private school system, I think you'll find that some schools would give employment preference on the basis of the ability to coach certain sports.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Pretty much any other sport at schools can be coached by anyone - not necessarily coached well, but coached without putting player safety at risk. However, coaching rugby requires the ability to teach players how to execute certain skills to a certain level of proficiency otherwise there is a real risk of serious injury to the participants. So pretty much any teacher can run the 13F soccer or basketball or volleyball or water polo teasm - they might not win a game, but there's little risk of serious injury. But the person coaching the 13F rugby team needs some technical knowlege.

In the private school system, I think you'll find that some schools would give employment preference on the basis of the ability to coach certain sports.

The Issue lies in the first sentence for most parents - the recognised risk of serious injury.
Soccer is merely an affront to the senses. Aussie rules has a higher injury rate but for some reason is not seen in that light by parents.
I am learning for the first time parents’ risk of injury perception: parents attempting to dictate what position their pride and joy will play and what will and won’t be expected of him in that position.
Too much choice, too much molly coddling and too many helicopter parents.
And this at a school where parents are actively excluded from influencing any other aspect of school life.

 

[Joker]

In the private school system, I think you'll find that some schools would give employment preference on the basis of the ability to coach certain sports.

Was the case 20 years ago. Joeys over the past 15 years have employed more women than ever. These women often choose basketball to coach for a season, while the blokes choose winter sports. The College though is fortunate to draw upon a huge old boy network who coach for very little remuneration and mainly for passion and epxerience. ALL coaches must do mandatory SMART rugby courses and are encouraged (and provided with) to take level 1 and 2 courses. This was how Beasties coach Pauli Taumoepeau got his start by coaching at Joeys with the Under 13's.

 

[Quick Hands]

Was the case 20 years ago. Joeys over the past 15 years have employed more women than ever. These women often choose basketball to coach for a season, while the blokes choose winter sports. The College though is fortunate to draw upon a huge old boy network who coach for very little remuneration and mainly for passion and epxerience. ALL coaches must do mandatory SMART rugby courses and are encouraged (and provided with) to take level 1 and 2 courses. This was how Beasties coach Pauli Taumoepeau got his start by coaching at Joeys with the Under 13's.

Think you'll find that there are ex-Wallabies and super rugby players who have recently been employed as teachers at a number of other GPS schools, they all have the appropriate teaching qualifications, but one suspects that their rugby pedigree didn't hurt.

 

[Quick Hands]

The Issue lies in the first sentence for most parents - the recognised risk of serious injury.
Soccer is merely an affront to the senses. Aussie rules has a higher injury rate but for some reason is not seen in that light by parents.
I am learning for the first time parents’ risk of injury perception: parents attempting to dictate what position their pride and joy will play and what will and won’t be expected of him in that position.
Too much choice, too much molly coddling and too many helicopter parents.
And this at a school where parents are actively excluded from influencing any other aspect of school life.

Aussie rules has a higher risk of all serious injuries - from concussions to limb and joint injuries that require surgery. Without having the data, I suspect that the only area in which the rugby codes have a higher risk would be in the catastrophic spinal injuries - and these are thankfully extremely rare.

 

[Joker]

Think you'll find that there are ex-Wallabies and super rugby players who have recently been employed as teachers at a number of other GPS schools, they all have the appropriate teaching qualifications, but one suspects that their rugby pedigree didn't hurt.

Marcus Blackburn (the orginal architect of Scots rugby resurgence) was a full time coach. He had a degree in PDHPE but taught two lessons a week. I know at Joeys the 1st XV coaches are both full time teachers (one Head of his department), who are are both Boarding Coordinators which means they have an overflowing plate. Their days start at 6am and finish at 11pm with some time for rugby in there somewhere. Which schools have these coaches? Scots has Brian Smith. Who are the others?

 

[deez ebola nuts]

Hi all, great to be back on the forum. I have noticed the change in format back to one round for GPS competition games and a bunch of trial games. Personally I was a fan of the two round format but I do like the diversification of the trial matches and the interesting results especially towards GPS powerhouse teams.

 

[Quick Hands]

Marcus Blackburn (the orginal architect of Scots rugby resurgence) was a full time coach. He had a degree in PDHPE but taught two lessons a week. I know at Joeys the 1st XV coaches are both full time teachers (one Head of his department), who are are both Boarding Coordinators which means they have an overflowing plate. Their days start at 6am and finish at 11pm with some time for rugby in there somewhere. Which schools have these coaches? Scots has Brian Smith. Who are the others?

Rob Egerton teaches science at New, Matt Carraro teaches PE, Joel Wilson teaches at the prep, Trent Dyer teaches PE, Stephen James teaches at Kings, Paul Cornish teaches Maths at Waverley. If we went to SS players, there are at least 2 current ones teaching at St Augs, plus a former Eastwood 1st grader. I could go on if I had a staff list of every GPS, CAS and ISA school. Just because something doesn't happen at Joeys, doesn't mean it doesn't happen anywhere else.

EDIT: James Hilgendorf also taught at Kings for a while, until some sheep crossed his path

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Aussie rules has a higher risk of all serious injuries - from concussions to limb and joint injuries that require surgery. Without having the data, I suspect that the only area in which the rugby codes have a higher risk would be in the catastrophic spinal injuries - and these are thankfully extremely rare.

Aussie rules gives me the shits: do they count that in their stats?
Aussie rules does have a history of catastrophic spinal injuries: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-08/player-suffers-spinal-injury-in-ntfl-match.
This is a bit out of date: https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2005/182/11/spinal-cord-injuries-australian-footballers-1997-2002
Doesn’t reflect the major change to scrum engagement but show that RU got its injury rate down to a similar level to AFL, at least as I read the tables.
There is little doubt in my mind that no parent who expresses a preference for Aussie rules over rugby on the basis of a lesser risk of injury has informed him or her self about the real relative risks.
As I once hard John yeo say of our game “ your at more risk of quadriplegia driving to the game than playing it” and he is/was by no means a supporter rugby.