NSW AAGPS 2017

[sidelineview]

We have obviously had different experiences.

It depends on the standard of coaching and the attitude of the individual coaches. Being obsessed with winning can lead to boring, negative games plans in both codes.

Young rugby players could do a lot worse than have a couple of years of playing league under a good coach imho. Their defence in particular would improve.

I've seen it but we can agree to disagree.

 

[sidelineview]

Rugby numbers in schools are being eroded by AFL and soccer, so for that reason alone the ARU needs to be more proactive.
The standard of AFL marketing is very impressive.

 

[Quick Hands]

Rugby numbers in schools are being eroded by AFL and soccer, so for that reason alone the ARU needs to be more proactive.
The standard of AFL marketing is very impressive.

Numbers in schools are being eroded largely because more and more kids are playing those sports at club level. Strangely enough, kids will usually play at school the same sport as they play in club land (provided the sport is offered at their school).

If the ARU wants to increase the number of kids playing rugby at school (all schools not just GPS ones, but even at GPS ones), the starting point is to get more kids playing at junior club level. Then, when they start high school at 13, there's a fair chance that they'll select rugby as their sport. If they've played soccer or AFL at club level then it's highly unlikely that they'll be converted by the involvment of the ARU bureaucracy at their high school.

Fiddling around with who administers the competition is a typical rugby response, which is all about bureaucracy and nothing about achievement. We need to be talking about outcomes rather than processes.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

In fact, boys who have a grounding in league and then play rugby are often more skillful and better tacklers.

Sometimes they do.
But they often struggle with lateral speed because union players tend not to try and run over the top of the defender.

 

[Lindommer]

I've had kids do both codes for many many years. The more serious/higher level coaches in league actually coach kids not to pass!

All the way up to NRL coaches. Have a squiz at Classic League or Super League matches on Foxtel and see how much passing the ball's regressed for the modern league player in Australia. I watched a Bunnies game at my mother-in-law's house a coupla years ago (she was a dyed-in-the-wool Rabbitohs supporter), there was one passage of play when THERE WAS ONE PASS IN SIX SETS OF TACKLES, other than from the dummy half.

 

[Freddo Frog]

@Inside Shoulder you've mentioned a couple of times that some schools are pushing kids to play rugby year-round instead of playing a summer sport - which schools and how many kids involved?

BTW the experience we've had with league has been really positive in terms of skill development, and most definitely tackling and defense. I guess it depends on the club and the specific coaches involved.

 

[Quick Hands]

All the way up to NRL coaches. Have a squiz at Classic League or Super League matches on Foxtel and see how much passing the ball's regressed for the modern league player in Australia. I watched a Bunnies game at my mother-in-law's house a coupla years ago (she was a dyed-in-the-wool Rabbitohs supporter), there was one passage of play when THERE WAS ONE PASS IN SIX SETS OF TACKLES, other than from the dummy half.

I can attest to what ILTW says about at least some junior league coaching. I've been told a number times by kids who play both codes that their league coach won't allow them to pass the ball in their own half and even on attack only certain players are authorised to pass the ball. It's basically 5 hit-ups kick, chase and try to force a mistake in the opposition half. It's starting to morph into gridiron where certain skills are highly specialised.

 

[sidelineview]

Coaches game plans and trends in the game at junior level dont necessarily reflect the skill level of the players. Unfortunately winning becomes more important.

Good coaches from both codes will develop good skill levels and strong defence within their teams.
Given a coach has the players who can execute, its refreshing to see him let his players off the leash and play a confident style of attacking play.

Granted, it doesn't happen often enough but it does happen.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

This is not a thread to either bash or defend mungo ball.

There is plenty of opportunity to do so on the other threads.

Talk AAGPS 2017 rugby or I will get cross, and when I am cross, consequences are visited upon others.

 

[Lindommer]

Fair 'nuff, Big Bum. Got carried away with current on that one. Sydney select schoolboys it is.

 

[Quick Hands]

Talk AAGPS 2017 rugby or I will get cross, and when I am cross, consequences are visited upon others.

A slight diversion, but now we'll get back on track.

 

[The Honey Badger]

All the way up to NRL coaches. Have a squiz at Classic League or Super League matches on Foxtel and see how much passing the ball's regressed for the modern league player in Australia. I watched a Bunnies game at my mother-in-law's house a coupla years ago (she was a dyed-in-the-wool Rabbitohs supporter), there was one passage of play when THERE WAS ONE PASS IN SIX SETS OF TACKLES, other than from the dummy half.

Interesting to note the way the All Blacks are playing. The Ball is doing all the work, Fast Ball movement, particularly at the turnover when defenses are not set. It looks good, is good and wins matches

 

[The Honey Badger]

What makes you believe Waverley is standing in the way of a proposed expanded comp?
A 2nd-round comp involving GPS. CAS. CIS schools might work but it would need to be graded fairly.

Unfounded Gossip on the CAS thread.

But apparently 1 CAS school said no, and there was a feeling Waverly didn't want to play with the big boys.

I have no idea, but I am guessing it is progressing towards more games between the associations and a shorter 1 round comp.

Personally, I think there is merit.

 

[The Honey Badger]

For anyone who missed this on the other Championship thread.

Link for the team list for the Baa baas game


http://www.rugbynews.net.au/australian-schools-barbarians-team-to-play-tongan-schools-announced/

6 GPS boys in the Run on and 3 on the bench (1 being Rorke - the other Breakaways must be special)

Be well worth getting down to Newington

 

[Blazing Saddles]

For anyone who missed this on the other Championship thread.

Link for the team list for the Baa baas game


http://www.rugbynews.net.au/australian-schools-barbarians-team-to-play-tongan-schools-announced/

6 GPS boys in the Run on and 3 on the bench (1 being Rorke - the other Breakaways must be special)

Be well worth getting down to Newington

Agree there are far better backrow options (Pietsch aside) for the run on side. Even the GPS and NSW selectors thought as much. Where is the Assistant coach from again?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

@Inside Shoulder you've mentioned a couple of times that some schools are pushing kids to play rugby year-round instead of playing a summer sport - which schools and how many kids involved?

I know that Shore had a "summer weights" program in lieu of summer sport participated in by a good number of their 1st XV for 2016 and given the ad in last weekend's herald for an S&C coach I suspect that will be on again for 2017.
Apparently Knox have some sort of compulsory program but HJ will probably punish me for saying so in this thread.

 

[CatchnPass]

@Blazing Saddles "That's in Queensland...."

 

[CatchnPass]

I know that Shore had a "summer weights" program in lieu of summer sport participated in by a good number of their 1st XV for 2016 and given the ad in last weekend's herald for an S&C coach I suspect that will be on again for 2017.
Apparently Knox have some sort of compulsory program but HJ will probably punish me for saying so in this thread.

It's encouraged for those who aspire to play 1sts/2nds/16As, but not compulsory eg, 2015 1st XV captain Harry Chapman, was also in the 1st XI throughout his senior years.

 

[Azzuri]

I know that Shore had a "summer weights" program in lieu of summer sport participated in by a good number of their 1st XV for 2016 and given the ad in last weekend's herald for an S&C coach I suspect that will be on again for 2017.
Apparently Knox have some sort of compulsory program but HJ will probably punish me for saying so in this thread.

At Kings one of the summer sport options for those that wanted to do it was "summer athletics" which involved aerobic based programs, speed work and gym work. It wasn't specifically geared to Rugby but several lads used it a pre-season training. Importantly and sensibly, no one in the opens was "heavied" into doing summer aths.

 

[The Honey Badger]

Just Skimmed through the Athletics results,

couple of football names

Luke Rixon fastest 11.03 over 100 m - came second (dont think that is near his PB)

Oliver Smealie 11.98


and there must be a brother to Yirribi ran 15.05 for U17 110 meter Hurdles - Binban Jaffer-William, does he pull on the boots?