NRC Sevens

[Dave Beat]

Fully agree. I believe the proposal made above is to:

1) get NRC teams to start entering these competitions
2) get these competitions to co-odinate with eachother in some way so fans could follow them somehow. I am not sure how that would be. It could be as simple as nominating the official and unofficial ones, or nominating which ones controbute points towards a national trophy etc. Then you have a series.

Any way, great contributions welcome on board - where are you based?

 

[Ozee316]

I'm from Waikato Chiefs country in NZ but I live in South Korea as an English teacher. Strange combination. There's a little rugby here too but it's still yet to take off.

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[wamberal]

I'm from Waikato Chiefs country in NZ but I live in South Korea as an English teacher. Strange combination. There's a little rugby here too but it's still yet to take off.

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I used to watch a bit of rugby in Hong Kong, along with 200 other spectators. (The Sevens was an exception, although when I first arrived, in 1976, a crowd of 2000 was about it).


South Korea was my favourite national side. They were pretty poor in most areas, but their tackling was fantastic. Not very good techniques, but totally committed in defence.

 

[Dave Beat]

I'm from Waikato Chiefs country in NZ but I live in South Korea as an English teacher. Strange combination. There's a little rugby here too but it's still yet to take off.

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Picked it, knew you weren't in OZ - and Kiwi with rugby withdrawal symptoms. You'll have fun, get frustrated, and always come back for more here.

 

[Dave Beat]

I'm from Waikato Chiefs country in NZ but I live in South Korea as an English teacher. Strange combination. There's a little rugby here too but it's still yet to take off.

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http://www.rugbynews.net.au/shute-shield-teams-to-play-tournament-final-at-sydney-7s/

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I've posted proposed tournament dates in previous threads, and I don't think it should be limited to NRC teams, who says these successfully running tournaments are happy to cater exclusively to NRC teams anyway.

Honesty, I like the idea of building Sevens, but i don't think exclusively using the NRC teams is the right vehicle to do this. There are already clubs in Australia who have invested significantly in the Sevens programs, this is what should be getting built on. Open the invite to NRC teams, but also any club in Australia/Oceania.


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P.Tah's original idea is about developing a marketable product in which to sell to broadcasters during the holiday season. This brings up the idea of quality versus quantity. I understand that clubs have made significant investment in their own programs but we need to look at this from a perspective of providing the best product possible. Do we go with say 8 teams along the NRC lines or have it open to all. What is best as a means of exposure and interest?

For me, it's using the NRC set up. This would also allow for a Womens Circuit to run alongside it. Something we should be looking at as well. It also opens the door for the likes of Adelaide to participate. That would be more beneficial in my opinion.

 

[Dave Beat]

Interesting thread - this one.

• Sevens has been around for a long time, and has become more prominent over the recent years. I've had a ball in Feb travelling up and down the coast with my little one.
• The pre season 7's involves some top quality games over the month of Feb, with some international and interstate presence and a number of NRC players representing their club side.
• The post season games are there, BUT with NRC and Off Season there, it is impacted - I do think it it would be a monumental job to implement a comp that may involve cost. As I said Manly look to host one, with expressions of interest going out to the NRC sides.
• We are talking about an NRC sevens series and NSW doesn't even know how many teams are playing next year - or do we???

The Sydney 7's conflicted with the great weekend away up at Crescent Head to kick start the season - playing wide like that takes quality rugby outside of Sydney. Last years final was a cracking game won in extra time by the Rats v Manly with both teams fielding a handful of NRC players.


As I've said, - great idea - I think lift and promote the structures in place. I don't think investment in an NRC comp would result in a return. I can see better investment elsewhere.

 

[blindsider]

Sydney CLub 7s to be played during the IRB Sydney 7s! AND the final of the Bondi 10's
http://www.rugbynews.net.au/shute-shield-teams-to-play-tournament-final-at-sydney-7s/

edit : sorry someone else posted this @dave beat;

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Interesting thread - this one.

• Sevens has been around for a long time, and has become more prominent over the recent years. I've had a ball in Feb travelling up and down the coast with my little one.
• The pre season 7's involves some top quality games over the month of Feb, with some international and interstate presence and a number of NRC players representing their club side.
• The post season games are there, BUT with NRC and Off Season there, it is impacted - I do think it it would be a monumental job to implement a comp that may involve cost. As I said Manly look to host one, with expressions of interest going out to the NRC sides.
• We are talking about an NRC sevens series and NSW doesn't even know how many teams are playing next year - or do we???

The Sydney 7's conflicted with the great weekend away up at Crescent Head to kick start the season - playing wide like that takes quality rugby outside of Sydney. Last years final was a cracking game won in extra time by the Rats v Manly with both teams fielding a handful of NRC players.



As I've said, - great idea - I think lift and promote the structures in place. I don't think investment in an NRC comp would result in a return. I can see better investment elsewhere.

If it were to structured as a 6 week National series then I'd be inclined to agree with you on elevating current structures etc. But approaching it under the original terms presented by P.Tah were each team plays one game a night before moving on to the next location the next night while looking to package it in neat 2-2.5 hour timeframe for consumer consumption then I tend to lean toward the NRC model as you can run 4-5 games in the that particular timeframe relatively easily.

That said, as I posted previously if we are looking for a BBL equivalent then I'd actually prefer it to be 10s than 7s. From a 7s perspective I'd much rather see the establishment of a national talent identification and recruitment program coupled with not only the 7s teams participating in their respective world seriss but also development squads participating in the likes of the Asian Sevens Series.

 

[Dave Beat]

If it were to structured as a 6 week National series then I'd be inclined to agree with you on elevating current structures etc. But approaching it under the original terms presented by P.Tah were each team plays one game a night before moving on to the next location the next night while looking to pachage it in neat 2-2.5 hour

As i know you are - all for the better growth of rugby.
I see this as a great idea but gee allot of challenges.

 

[p.Tah]

Thanks WCR. In addition, The NRC 7s 'league' is designed to generate wider interest in 7s which I hope would flow on and generate interest in these great 7s tournaments.

 

[Dave Beat]

I hate being negative.
One of the things that makes 7's great, is the full day carnival atmosphere - not a one off game.
How profitable is the NRC at present?
Is NSW going from 4 teams to 2?
The travel to make this work would be huge?
Definately not having a crack at the contributions here as the content is great, and i like the idea - but how many of you get to every home club game through the season, and also follow your club 7's team pre and post main season.

 

[Ozee316]

After seeing the dates of the tournaments above the best answer is in the long term to move the major tournaments into the December-January window so you could get possible 4-5 major tournaments which are backed by the ARU, NRC teams and major sponsors. That is what would preceed any broadcaster involvement.

Making sure that the tournaments do not clash with major regional ones like the Fiji Coral Coast is also important as in the long term an Oceania Sevens Circuit below the World Series is bound to develop within 10 years including Australia, Fiji, Malaysia, NZ and some of the strongest clubs and Provincial teams in the region. This will be where National teams will find their next Sevens stars.

The Australian trophy will be played for alongside a regional trophy for Winners of possible the 5 main 'non-international' sevens tournaments in the region. NZ is due another major sevens tournament outside Wellington whether that is in the South Island or Auckland. Malaysia, the home of 10s would be pleased to host another.

Just ideas. Co-ordination is the Key.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I hate being negative.
One of the things that makes 7's great, is the full day carnival atmosphere - not a one off game.
How profitable is the NRC at present?
Is NSW going from 4 teams to 2?
The travel to make this work would be huge?
Definately not having a crack at the contributions here as the content is great, and i like the idea - but how many of you get to every home club game through the season, and also follow your club 7's team pre and post main season.

No your comment is fair. It highlights a few of undoubtedly many issues that would need to be addressed.

I think we can safely assume that the NRC isn't profitable as yet. Though, from the statements made and thd minimum standards set I get the impression that its goal is to be more cost neutral than profitable at least in the short to medium term. I tend to think its limited exposure certainly isn't helping.perhaps using P.Tah proposal could be a means of building a bit more interest and exposure.

Until we have confirmation the speculation about the NSW squads going from 4 to 2 is just that, speculation. Though, regardless of whether or not that occurs it doesn't necessarily limit the options. As above it could open the door for the likes of Adelaide etc. to particpate.

Cost will be a determining factor. Though not insummountable. I'd imagine we'd be looking at a similar outlay to that of the NRC.

 

[Ozee316]

I hate being negative.
One of the things that makes 7's great, is the full day carnival atmosphere - not a one off game.
How profitable is the NRC at present?
Is NSW going from 4 teams to 2?
The travel to make this work would be huge?
Definately not having a crack at the contributions here as the content is great, and i like the idea - but how many of you get to every home club game through the season, and also follow your club 7's team pre and post main season.

I agree that the travel would be too if games were played daily so sticking to traditional 2-day 7's tournaments seems better. Nominating tournaments to be part of a league seems the way to go about that and making a trophy. There is no reason that only NRC teams or that even all NRC teams need to enter the competitions. Having NRC and ARU support gives the tournamants more legitimacy. Prmoting the fun in the sun, family atmosphere and having multiple levels of competition from seniors, womens, mens, u20s, and allowing international and club entries makes the tournaments better.

The Coral Coast in Fiji has had entries from USA and German national teams in recent years.

In the past international club entries to 7s competitions were based on finances and not that scientifically based. If there were a group of 4-5 major Oceania tournaments for clubs and invitational teams then these entrants could be more correctly chosen if countries like NZ, Australia and even SA had their own leagues. The top 2-4 ranked teams in each country could be invited to contest regional tournaments in Oceania (Coral Coast, Central Coast, Queenstown Sevens, Malaysia Sevens) en whilst their own leagues are still continuing until the end of January

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I agree that the travel would be too if games were played daily so sticking to traditional 2-day 7's tournaments seems better. Nominating tournaments to be part of a league seems the way to go about that and making a trophy. There is no reason that only NRC teams or that even all NRC teams need to enter the competitions. Having NRC and ARU support gives the tournamants more legitimacy. Prmoting the fun in the sun, family atmosphere and having multiple levels of competition from seniors, womens, mens, u20s, and allowing international and club entries makes the tournaments better.

The Coral Coast in Fiji has had entries from USA and German national teams in recent years.

In the past international club entries to 7s competitions were based on finances and not that scientifically based. If there were a group of 4-5 major Oceania tournaments for clubs and invitational teams then these entrants could be more correctly chosen if countries like NZ, Australia and even SA had their own leagues. The top 2-4 ranked teams in each country could be invited to contest regional tournaments in Oceania (Coral Coast, Central Coast, Queenstown Sevens, Malaysia Sevens) en whilst their own leagues are still continuing until the end of January

I tend to agree with you regarding the structure of a Sevens specific tournament. It would be more beneficial for it to be run over 4-5 weeks as a means to balance costs. You could actually get in 8 games in a 2-2.5 hour period. So P.Tah's broadcast window would still be applicable. Run the Pools over the first 4 rounds. That way each team squad should play each other at least once over the four week period and have the 5th round essentially be the Championship round. Where teams play for places based on a table determined in the first 4 rounds.

Actually that format would work if you went down the 10s route as well.

 

[Ozee316]

A day-night Sevens tournament featuring 12 teams in 3 pools of four could run from 5pm to 10pm two nights in a row. Sort of like the old VB day night cricket series - three day/night and three daytime tournaments aswell could be a good series. Get a series sponsor and hold it in regions around the country: Central Coast, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Sydney, Cairns.

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[WorkingClassRugger]

A day-night Sevens tournament featuring 12 teams in 3 pools of four could run from 5pm to 10pm two nights in a row. Sort of like the old VB day night cricket series - three day/night and three daytime tournaments aswell could be a good series. Get a series sponsor and hold it in regions around the country: Central Coast, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Sydney, Cairns.

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Ideally you're looking at the peak prime time viewing slots that are family friendly. You're also looking at minimizing costs which means minimizing the need for overnight accommodations.

Five hours would be too long. Between 7 and 10 pm is the most viewer and family friendly timeframe. That's the sweet spot that the BBL operates in. In terms of accommodations you have each team train at the home bases and depending what day you choose to play you fly them in on tge day and out after the games have finished.

You'd keep it to the current Super Rugby bases.

 

[Ozee316]

Another way to squeeze 5 hours into 3 (because it takes a minimum of 5 hours to play the necessary 18 pool games for a 12 team/3 pool tournament) is to split it into two fields and televise it like tennis where only the main game is televised. This would cut the time in half almost and give highlights from the other game during breaks.

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[Ozee316]

In World Series they play 3 games per hour or twelve over 4 hours. This means teams could play twice on the main field and once each on the second field over a 4 hour tournament.

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