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Northern Hemisphere Rugby

LevitatingSocks

Darby Loudon (17)

Italophile

Alfred Walker (16)
There's a lot of shit you can throw on the NH but this is something the FIR would have wanted for a very long time: Zebre was built to ensure they had two teams after Aironi collapsed 12 years ago, and they resisted having two teams essentially of top of each other for a very long time: Treviso and Padua, where Petarca is based, are both within Veneto, as compared to Parma and Viadana where Zebre and Aironi have been based.
The FIR wants two teams. The issue has always been that Zebre, unlike Benetton, has been under FIR's control. It was the only way, at the time, that they could get the second team up and running. There has been long-standing resentment that Zebre is an FIR project and a drain on FIR resources. FIR has been looking for investors in Zebre but it's a tainted product. They are now basically pulling the plug and looking for investors to back a replacement franchise independent of the FIR a la Benetton. Benetton is the old Treviso, historically by far the most successful and best run Italian club.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
The FIR wants two teams. The issue has always been that Zebre, unlike Benetton, has been under FIR's control. It was the only way, at the time, that they could get the second team up and running. There has been long-standing resentment that Zebre is an FIR project and a drain on FIR resources. FIR has been looking for investors in Zebre but it's a tainted product. They are now basically pulling the plug and looking for investors to back a replacement franchise independent of the FIR a la Benetton. Benetton is the old Treviso, historically by far the most successful and best run Italian club.

yeah, I poorly articulated it but that was sort of my point. The FIR wants two teams and funded Zebre indefinitely after the collapse of Aironi, but have now decided to take a far more pragmatic version of things, flogging a 2nd license rather than the Zebre franchise, and by the sounds of it, this will go to the Pertraca club.
 

Dctarget

Tim Horan (67)
The FIR wants two teams. The issue has always been that Zebre, unlike Benetton, has been under FIR's control. It was the only way, at the time, that they could get the second team up and running. There has been long-standing resentment that Zebre is an FIR project and a drain on FIR resources. FIR has been looking for investors in Zebre but it's a tainted product. They are now basically pulling the plug and looking for investors to back a replacement franchise independent of the FIR a la Benetton. Benetton is the old Treviso, historically by far the most successful and best run Italian club.
Italo (and H35), why Treviso and Parma? These are relatively small population zones no? Is there any rugby presence in the bigger cities like Rome, Milan, Turin? I understand the national team are based in Rome.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
Italo (and H35), why Treviso and Parma? These are relatively small population zones no? Is there any rugby presence in the bigger cities like Rome, Milan, Turin? I understand the national team are based in Rome.

My laymans understanding is that Veneto is the most rugby mad area of Italy, containing a lot of more successful clubs like Treviso, Calvisano and Petrarca followed by certain parts of Lombardy and Emilia-Romagna.

There's always been a desire for a Rome based side (a Rome side was slated to join the league instead of Benneton back in 08/09-ish, and 8 or 9 years ago the FIR lead spruiked it again), but the financials have never worked out.

Italo is much better suited to discuss anything further than that.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

David Codey (61)
At the time of his appointment there was some very silly commentary about how Eddie's methods might resonate more with the sporting culture in Japan. As if being an inflexible blowhard is something deeply appreciated there.
Especially when so many of their key players now and over the next few years aren't of Japanese heritage and quite easily could tell Japan to get fucked.
 

oztimmay

Tony Shaw (54)
Staff member
My laymans understanding is that Veneto is the most rugby mad area of Italy, containing a lot of more successful clubs like Treviso, Calvisano and Petrarca followed by certain parts of Lombardy and Emilia-Romagna.

There's always been a desire for a Rome based side (a Rome side was slated to join the league instead of Benneton back in 08/09-ish, and 8 or 9 years ago the FIR lead spruiked it again), but the financials have never worked out.

Italo is much better suited to discuss anything further than that.

Would have thought anything south of Rome wouldn't be strong Rugby territory.

Having said that, I was once in a Sorrento Bard and the place was covered in Rugby jeserys. Was a mini shrine to the Wallabies, but mostly Azurri stuff.
 

Italophile

Alfred Walker (16)
Italo (and H35), why Treviso and Parma? These are relatively small population zones no? Is there any rugby presence in the bigger cities like Rome, Milan, Turin? I understand the national team are based in Rome.
They play at Stadio Olimpico basically because it's still Italy's showpiece stadium. Nowt to do with the geography of rugby support. Rugby in Italy is pretty much wholly based in the north. There is very very little professional rugby played south of, say, Bologna. I'm in Tuscany, 90 minutes south of Florence, there are a couple of small amateur clubs in the area. Football (soccer) is God.

The northern roots can be traced back to early in the 20th century when industrialisation kicked off in the north. It brought an influx of English engineers, workers, etc, who brought rugby with them. Cricket, too, for that matter. Cricket is still played in the north believe it or not. But only in the north. In addition to the English input, the jobs attracted a lot of workers from just across the border in southern France, their rugby stronghold. And so it went.

Rugby will always be a minority sport here. Basketball draws bigger TV audiences. Nick Mallett, to his credit, when Italian coach, stressed that rugby had to be less northern-centric to grow. He drove the establishment of Italy-wide academies. And, for his troubles, was squeezed out by internal rugby politics. Viva Italia. The young talent coming through from the academies over the last few years is largely down to Mallett.
 
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