molman
Jim Lenehan (48)
If the TMO spots it
Northern Hemisphere Rugby
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The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
THANKS OWEN
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John Thornett (49)
Wasnt on in aus, Bein sports were showing the 7's instead
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Cheers sorry didn't realise that, no doubt someone has told me and went straight through brain and out other side. We just get it on Sky, and assumed Stan showed same.
KevinO
Geoff Shaw (53)
Was watching back and fourth between the 3 games on at the same time. Couldn't believe Glasgow missed that kick.
Marce
John Hipwell (52)
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
^ also expect more head v knee & head v hip contact as tacklers get their timing fractionally wrong...
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
Oh yeah. It will be chaos. The trial they did a few years back showed it. Attacking players naturally start lifting their knees as well to break tackles
molman
Jim Lenehan (48)
I think the unfortunate reality is with, this..
www.theguardian.com
and this..
www.theguardian.com
The RFU and Rugby like any contact sport is in a precarious position. I haven't looked at the data close enough to pick it apart to get a feel for what the results really might have shown, or have any detail on how valid or peer reviewed the data and process is, but the reality is they need to do something. I always think it's hard to isolate how much of the change was due to the rule changes vs. just a intense focus and increased reporting on this aspect of the game.
I believe in the French trial it was only one tackling player allowed, so using those results as the basis for the change in England seems a little concerning when they are allowing multiple player tackles which opens up other potential collision and head contact scenarios.
Case against rugby union governing bodies on dementia destined for courts
A legal case involving a group of rugby players diagnosed with early-onset dementia and other irreversible neurological impairments, including the former Wales captain Ryan Jones, looks destined for the courts
www.theguardian.com
and this..
Amateur players launch lawsuit against rugby authorities over brain injuries
Rugby union authorities are facing a second major lawsuit as group of more than 55 former amateur players have begun legal action against the RFU, the WRU and World Rugby
www.theguardian.com
The RFU and Rugby like any contact sport is in a precarious position. I haven't looked at the data close enough to pick it apart to get a feel for what the results really might have shown, or have any detail on how valid or peer reviewed the data and process is, but the reality is they need to do something. I always think it's hard to isolate how much of the change was due to the rule changes vs. just a intense focus and increased reporting on this aspect of the game.
I believe in the French trial it was only one tackling player allowed, so using those results as the basis for the change in England seems a little concerning when they are allowing multiple player tackles which opens up other potential collision and head contact scenarios.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Just been thinking about the angst about new tackle heights, although I believe waist is too low, I understand the arguments etc.
Anyway I watching a game (Bath/Sale) as I writing this and from what I seeing, almost allsffective tackles are waist or below, and most tackles are sternum or below anyway.
I coached kids (admittedly a long time ago) to tackle around legs anyway. Never ever practised tackling high, always started all defensive traing at fast walk and built up speed , concentrating on head position to side, and keeping eyes open so you could see where you were putting head (did same with rucking etc). Now I going back 35-40 years and do say I never used tackle bags (no access to any) and was always surprised a bit later when I watched kids(and even seniors) training how coaches worked with tackle bags , seemingly always at full pace and so little thought on how to actually tackle, just hit a stationary tackle bag with shoulder etc and wrap arms around. The other thing with tackling low, I think it's harde to fend off a player coming in at wasit or below than it is one coming in high.
Anyway I watching a game (Bath/Sale) as I writing this and from what I seeing, almost allsffective tackles are waist or below, and most tackles are sternum or below anyway.
I coached kids (admittedly a long time ago) to tackle around legs anyway. Never ever practised tackling high, always started all defensive traing at fast walk and built up speed , concentrating on head position to side, and keeping eyes open so you could see where you were putting head (did same with rucking etc). Now I going back 35-40 years and do say I never used tackle bags (no access to any) and was always surprised a bit later when I watched kids(and even seniors) training how coaches worked with tackle bags , seemingly always at full pace and so little thought on how to actually tackle, just hit a stationary tackle bag with shoulder etc and wrap arms around. The other thing with tackling low, I think it's harde to fend off a player coming in at wasit or below than it is one coming in high.
Jimmy_Crouch
Peter Johnson (47)
Any thought that this is the reaction they were after? I certainly do. This will then allow them to create a situation to absolve future legal issues. Eg Having consolation with rugby playing groups and coming up with some sort of waiver.
In Australia, people cite what has occured in the NFL but in reality that situation was due to the fact that they had the data and knew the harm and specifically dismissed it. Rugby isn't in that same situation as it is making changes. NRL on the other hand are going to be in all kinds of trouble.
In Australia, people cite what has occured in the NFL but in reality that situation was due to the fact that they had the data and knew the harm and specifically dismissed it. Rugby isn't in that same situation as it is making changes. NRL on the other hand are going to be in all kinds of trouble.
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
Yep can see some of this been a larger game been played.
The reaction should work in favor of the unions in court proceedings. Courts obviously have to rule to law but will err towards societal wants/needs in its interpretation. The reaction has clearly shown there isn’t a large desire to change outside some louder voices on social media or the media. The only leg the court cases might have to lean on is as mentioned the nfl scenario where they had existing information and weren’t providing it to its constituents on the risks.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Actually GoR both France and NZ(in some grades) have trialled lowering tackle heights with positive outcome both from players and injury front.
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
Big fan of this. Besides keeping it moving I hope it encourages crowds to get into it if they can’t hear.
KevinO
Geoff Shaw (53)
So 6 Nations kicks off this weekend with Wales v Ireland in Cardiff, tough game for the Irish to start as Cardiff proves a hard place for anyone to win during the 6N. This match nearly decides if Ireland win the tournament on not, get a win and they are in the drivers seat having both England and France at home. Lose and they will be looking for France and England to drop a 2nd game somewhere.
Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
Gatland is keeping with the throwback theme with his team list:
Wales: 15. Leigh Halfpenny, 14. Josh Adams, 13. George North, 12. Joe Hawkins, 11. Rio Dyer, 10. Dan Biggar, 9. Tomos Williams; 1. Gareth Thomas, 2. Ken Owens (capt), 3. Tomas Francis, 4. Adam Beard, 5. Alun Wyn Jones, 6. Jac Morgan, 7. Justin Tipuric, 8. Taulupe Faletau.
Replacements: 16. Scott Baldwin, 17. Rhys Carre, 18. Dillon Lewis, 19. Dafydd Jenkins, 20. Tommy Reffell, 21. Rhys Webb, 22. Owen Williams, 23. Alex Cuthbert.
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
He’ll implement some structures that might improve them but I don’t think the Welsh squad has the same talent it once did. I’ll pick Ireland in this 26/13