Non-Wallaby November Internationals
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Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Italy hadn't won a Test since this time last year though. Winless in the 6 Nations, with losses to Samoa, Fiji and Japan in June.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Looks like there are still some big problems with the Samoan RU's governance:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...Samoa-England-Twickenham-test-boycott-averted
Needs to be sorted pronto or all the on-field progress since 1991 could be undone.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...Samoa-England-Twickenham-test-boycott-averted
Needs to be sorted pronto or all the on-field progress since 1991 could be undone.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Not sure I've seen this happen before, but Italy v Argentina has been brought forward so as to avoid predicted foul weather.
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_9562779,00.html
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_9562779,00.html
Bardon
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Really good common sense shown by those who moved the Italy v Argentina game.
The Samoa situation is really depressing to read. The whole game of rugby should stand up and take responsibility.
I'd really love to see a global fund set up where by the Tier 1 nations can contribute to the development of the Tier 2 & Tier 3 nations. A small slice of each TV deal for the RWC, 6Ns, TRC, HEC, Challenge Cup, Super Rugby, Pro12, Premiership and Top14 should go into this fund.
The IRB could then dole the money out to the lower tiered nations with a proviso that their governance meets certain standards. There's no point giving the likes of the Samoan RU money to use at their discretion and then wondering why it disappeared into the same black hole as all their other funds.
A small slice of what those at the top table make would make a huge difference to the other rugby nations and would repay itself in time by opening new markets and giving the Tier 2 & 3 nations a more stable footing so that they could drive their own growth.
The Samoa situation is really depressing to read. The whole game of rugby should stand up and take responsibility.
I'd really love to see a global fund set up where by the Tier 1 nations can contribute to the development of the Tier 2 & Tier 3 nations. A small slice of each TV deal for the RWC, 6Ns, TRC, HEC, Challenge Cup, Super Rugby, Pro12, Premiership and Top14 should go into this fund.
The IRB could then dole the money out to the lower tiered nations with a proviso that their governance meets certain standards. There's no point giving the likes of the Samoan RU money to use at their discretion and then wondering why it disappeared into the same black hole as all their other funds.
A small slice of what those at the top table make would make a huge difference to the other rugby nations and would repay itself in time by opening new markets and giving the Tier 2 & 3 nations a more stable footing so that they could drive their own growth.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Argentina 20-18 Italy, match report here:
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9564228,00.html
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9564228,00.html
Bardon
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Argentina were good value for their win. Haimona had an excellent game for Italy and looks a real long term prospect in what has been a really weak position for them for a long time now.
When it came down to it Argentina had more quality in the backs and that paid off with their 2 tries. Italy looked to run out of ideas and found it hard to breach the Pumas' stubborn defence. It was telling that they decided to go for the drop goal at the end from so far out as they just weren't confident of making those extra metres that would have made the kick much easier.
The scrum contest in this game was really amazing and had even Joubert commenting on it on one of the occasions when the ball was in the middle of the channel and both teams gave it their all. On that occasion the scrum nor the ball moved for a full minute and it was the pitch that gave way. They left a couple of holes in the turf that a grave digger would have been proud of.
When it came down to it Argentina had more quality in the backs and that paid off with their 2 tries. Italy looked to run out of ideas and found it hard to breach the Pumas' stubborn defence. It was telling that they decided to go for the drop goal at the end from so far out as they just weren't confident of making those extra metres that would have made the kick much easier.
The scrum contest in this game was really amazing and had even Joubert commenting on it on one of the occasions when the ball was in the middle of the channel and both teams gave it their all. On that occasion the scrum nor the ball moved for a full minute and it was the pitch that gave way. They left a couple of holes in the turf that a grave digger would have been proud of.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Not sure what the IRB can do with Samoa, Schwalger came out and said exactly the same thing after 2011 WC, and of course lost his spot in team.
One of problems seems to be Prime Minister appears to have a lot to do with running Samoan rugby, and if his petulant little spat in press yesterday was actually factual reporting, they are a basket case, hinting Samoan government may just divert funds from union to league if everyone doesn't toe the line would almost seem to me as giving league an invitation to see what they are prepared to pay someone!!
One of problems seems to be Prime Minister appears to have a lot to do with running Samoan rugby, and if his petulant little spat in press yesterday was actually factual reporting, they are a basket case, hinting Samoan government may just divert funds from union to league if everyone doesn't toe the line would almost seem to me as giving league an invitation to see what they are prepared to pay someone!!
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Wales 17-13 Fiji
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9565509,00.html
Tonga 40-12 USA
www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9565822,00.html
Japan 18-13 Romania
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9565607,00.html
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9565509,00.html
Tonga 40-12 USA
www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9565822,00.html
Japan 18-13 Romania
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9565607,00.html
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
IRB rankings after the weekend:
1(1) New Zealand 93.70
2(2) South Africa 89.93
3(5) Ireland 84.84
4(3) Australia 84.22
5(4) England 84.21
6(6) France 81.47
7(7) Wales 79.94
8(8) Scotland 78.27
9(10) Argentina 76.42
10(9) Japan 76.07
11(9) Samoa 75.39
12(12) Tonga 74.62
13(13) Fiji 74.18
14(14) Italy 71.19
15(15) Georgia 69.40
16(16) USA 67.99
17(17) Canada 67.64
18(16) Romania 66.57
19(20) Russia 64.12
20(20) Uruguay 63.58
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9567595,00.html
1(1) New Zealand 93.70
2(2) South Africa 89.93
3(5) Ireland 84.84
4(3) Australia 84.22
5(4) England 84.21
6(6) France 81.47
7(7) Wales 79.94
8(8) Scotland 78.27
9(10) Argentina 76.42
10(9) Japan 76.07
11(9) Samoa 75.39
12(12) Tonga 74.62
13(13) Fiji 74.18
14(14) Italy 71.19
15(15) Georgia 69.40
16(16) USA 67.99
17(17) Canada 67.64
18(16) Romania 66.57
19(20) Russia 64.12
20(20) Uruguay 63.58
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9567595,00.html
Ireland jump two places in the global rankings after a comprehensive thrashing of world rugby powerhouse Georgia over the weekend.
Meanwhile, Australia and England slip down the order after close losses to rugby minnows France and South Africa.
Yeah. Right.
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waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Ireland's points haven't changed, both England & Oz lost ground.
BTW, has anyone "done the math" on the result(s) & margins necessary for Oz to lose their 0.01 lead over England? I'm assuming England would have to beat Samoa by plenty & Oz lose, but by what relative PD?
Ah ha. That makes much more sense. I didn't even note the points, just the change in places.
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Classic French rugby!
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^ Classic French flair. Training - Pfffft.
Je suis un essayez buteur. Pourquoi ai-je besoin de train?
Je suis un essayez buteur. Pourquoi ai-je besoin de train?
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
21 November
Fiji 21 (3T: Nagusa, Votu(2), 1C: Nasiganiyavi, 1 PG: Nasiganiyavi) def USA 14 (2T: Ngwenya, Kelly, 2C: McLean) - HT Fiji 15 - USA 0
22nd November
Italy v Springboks
Brazil v Uruguay A
Scotland v Tonga
Portugal v Namibia
Romania v Canada
Wales v All Blacks
England v Samoa
France v Argentina
Georgia v Japan
56 minutes gone in ITA v SAF, 14th rank vs 2nd rank, and the Saffers only lead by 8 - 6. Yesterday, I would have said that if the Azzuri got within 25 points of the Saffers, they would have done well. Possible boil over coming up as a long range ITA PK attempt just drops under the bar.
59 minutes and a sense of normality returns as 9. Reinach dots down next to the posts for the Saffers to extend the lead to 15-6. 20 minutes to go.
79 minutes: Habana gets meat in the corner and Pollard converts from touch to take the final score to be SAF 22 - ITA 6 (HT SAF 8 - ITA 6).
SAF 22 (3T: Oosthuizen, Reinach, Habana; 2C: Pollard, 1 PG: Lambie) def ITA 6 (2PG: Haimona). (HT SAF 8 - ITA 6)
Fiji 21 (3T: Nagusa, Votu(2), 1C: Nasiganiyavi, 1 PG: Nasiganiyavi) def USA 14 (2T: Ngwenya, Kelly, 2C: McLean) - HT Fiji 15 - USA 0
22nd November
Italy v Springboks
Brazil v Uruguay A
Scotland v Tonga
Portugal v Namibia
Romania v Canada
Wales v All Blacks
England v Samoa
France v Argentina
Georgia v Japan
56 minutes gone in ITA v SAF, 14th rank vs 2nd rank, and the Saffers only lead by 8 - 6. Yesterday, I would have said that if the Azzuri got within 25 points of the Saffers, they would have done well. Possible boil over coming up as a long range ITA PK attempt just drops under the bar.
59 minutes and a sense of normality returns as 9. Reinach dots down next to the posts for the Saffers to extend the lead to 15-6. 20 minutes to go.
79 minutes: Habana gets meat in the corner and Pollard converts from touch to take the final score to be SAF 22 - ITA 6 (HT SAF 8 - ITA 6).
SAF 22 (3T: Oosthuizen, Reinach, Habana; 2C: Pollard, 1 PG: Lambie) def ITA 6 (2PG: Haimona). (HT SAF 8 - ITA 6)
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