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John Hipwell (52)
That is going to be interesting. I tend to agree but we have not received all of the details yet on the Beale saga.
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That is going to be interesting. I tend to agree but we have not received all of the details yet on the Beale saga.
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Train Without a Station
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They play the other 4 teams twice. They spend half the year with the their team though.
They could be the most impartial person in the world, but they will still see more of the good of their own players. They will know them more intimately, and they will already have a bond.
If the rumors (and let's face it, they are merely rumors now and we could just be jumping at shadows) are true and Cheika and attempting to save Beale, how could that not be seen as bias? Would he do that for a player he wasn't actively coaching already?
Ulrich
Nev Cottrell (35)
I don't want the Wallabies to be weak. I want the Springboks being stronger than anyone else.
Given the ARU's financial position this may be the only way of ensuring that Cheika gets his coaching team in the short term as he can accept a lower package, perhaps at least for one year, while doing work for the Tahs as well.
I still don't think it's the best idea but who knows, maybe it works out and is seen as a revolutionary move down the line. Only time will tell.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
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Chris McKivat (8)
I completely agree.
Looking at the dates ...
Super Rugby final round is June 13. If the tahs make it all the way to the final its July 4.
The Rugby Championship starts 2 weeks later, July 17 and runs until August 15
Then the first round of the World Cup is on 18 Spetember.
How is he going to have enough time to switch from Tahs to Wallabies and be thoroughly prepared in just 2 (up to 4 if no finals in Super 15) weeks before the RC starts?? The Rugby Championship should be a finalising time, almost like the final rehearsal before the WC, but it feels like it will still be the auditions.
He is either not going to be able to commit 100% to the Tahs because he will already have to be planning and thinking about the WC, or go in under prepared. As good as some people say Cheika is, I don't believe he is Superman.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Im a glass half empty guy - we must have met in the middle, cos I agree: its either ominous or propitious.
Ulrich
Nev Cottrell (35)
Exaclty.
These guys get paid good money because it is a demanding job. Not just because of the media and pressure but it actually involves a lot of hard work behind the scenes.
It is a bit like Working full-time and studying or in this case working two jobs. A damn hard thing to do at the best of times.
Cheika and everyone else at the Waratahs have made it pretty clear that they support Beale and want him at the Waratahs in 2015. They've also made it clear that the disciplinary process is an ARU matter and has nothing to do with them (most recently by Jason Allen yesterday afternoon).
Presumably there will be publicly released findings from Beale's code of conduct hearing and some sort of punishment handed down.
The difficulty they are likely to have with the hearing is that it would seem highly unlikely that McKenzie or Patston will give evidence so Beale's side will be able to run their argument with little to challenge it.
The most likely punishment in my view is that any ARU contract offer will be removed and he'll be suspended for some length of time from the Wallabies. Presumably that will be the EOYT that he is already missing.
The next step the ARU could take would be to refuse to ratify a Super Rugby contract in Australia. This seems unlikely to me as, as far as I know it is unprecedented and would certainly cause ructions from NSWRU and RUPA.
It seems to me that there will most likely be outrage at whatever punishment is handed down. Fans are baying for blood, particularly in the wake of McKenzie's resignation. Plenty of fans believe that the issues within the ARU and the Wallabies solely relate to Kurtley Beale and he is culpable for everything that has happened. The demand from many fans that Beale never plays for the Wallabies again will certainly not be matched by a life ban from the ARU.
I think the ARU will be hoping that the removal of an ARU top up will result in Beale looking elsewhere.
It will be interesting to see what the outcome is but I anticipate much more rage from fans before this is over.
Calling for Cheika to come out and publicly damn Beale is sheer fantasy and won't happen. If fans are demanding that sort of outcome before they support Cheika as Wallabies coach, I'm guessing you won't be supporting Cheika as coach.
Presumably there will be publicly released findings from Beale's code of conduct hearing and some sort of punishment handed down.
The difficulty they are likely to have with the hearing is that it would seem highly unlikely that McKenzie or Patston will give evidence so Beale's side will be able to run their argument with little to challenge it.
The most likely punishment in my view is that any ARU contract offer will be removed and he'll be suspended for some length of time from the Wallabies. Presumably that will be the EOYT that he is already missing.
The next step the ARU could take would be to refuse to ratify a Super Rugby contract in Australia. This seems unlikely to me as, as far as I know it is unprecedented and would certainly cause ructions from NSWRU and RUPA.
It seems to me that there will most likely be outrage at whatever punishment is handed down. Fans are baying for blood, particularly in the wake of McKenzie's resignation. Plenty of fans believe that the issues within the ARU and the Wallabies solely relate to Kurtley Beale and he is culpable for everything that has happened. The demand from many fans that Beale never plays for the Wallabies again will certainly not be matched by a life ban from the ARU.
I think the ARU will be hoping that the removal of an ARU top up will result in Beale looking elsewhere.
It will be interesting to see what the outcome is but I anticipate much more rage from fans before this is over.
Calling for Cheika to come out and publicly damn Beale is sheer fantasy and won't happen. If fans are demanding that sort of outcome before they support Cheika as Wallabies coach, I'm guessing you won't be supporting Cheika as coach.
TahDan
Cyril Towers (30)
Yeah, and somehow Tim Sheens picked hardly any Tigers after moving straight from their to the Kangaroos a few years back.
You seriously didn't read my post did you? Mate, Origin and the NRL occur concurrently. Next year the Super Rugby season and the Wallabies season are completely separate - with a break in between for good measure.
Put it this way - Who did Link coach at the beginning of last year before the Rugby Championship? Now answer my this: why is that ok but it's not ok for Cheika to have as a condition to Pulver that he honour his contract with the NSWRU?
Get over it guys. The ARU have left themselves with zero leverage here, and frankly if people don't like it they can take it up with Bill.
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Train Without a Station
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No. But people are calling for him to not public back him, for actions which many consider indefensible if they have actually occurred.
TahDan
Cyril Towers (30)
Exactly.
What annoys me most about this whole sorry saga, is that by trying to make this all about Beale and NSW, people are completely absolving the Wallabies management and the ARU from any responsibility in dealing with a crisis that in reality was on the minor scale when compared to the controversies the AFL and NRL have dealt with over the years.
This shit was a classic case of crisis-management not only gone wrong, but gone missing. It's a fuck-up of epic proportions and is a reflection of poor systems with insufficient support and skills to manage a top line football code.
Ulrich
Nev Cottrell (35)
It's none of Cheika's business really.
The ARU should condemn Beale if found guilty, and let's face it, he has had more than enough chances.
Only a statement proving he was not guilty at all should save him.
From what has been revealed about the matter to date he should never don the jersey again in my mind. I mean rugby union jersey.
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John Hipwell (52)
How did that work out for us? If you think the circumstances are the same and anyone thought what happened with McKenzie taking over was ideal then you seriously underestimate what it takes to coach a national team. The Kangaroos are an afterthought that no one really cares about, Wallabies are a completely different beast.
Deans was fired leaving the ARU with little option but to appoint one of the Super Rugby coaches. This time they are months out from a Super Rugby season.
TahDan
Cyril Towers (30)
This here is why I find posts like yours so bewildering. The ARU FIRED Deans, choosing to pay him out and then throw a new coach straight into the RC with no preparation. And no, it didn't work out great. Now, through its own awful and incompetent management of a minor crisis, the ARU have had a coach leave mid season, with the team about to hop on a plane, leaving them no option but to appoint a new coach asap.
I agree mate, it's far less than ideal and preferably you'd want someone to focus purely on the Wallabies. But guess what? The ARU have now manufactured two coaching vacuums at critical junctures in two years and their choices are thin on the ground.
They want Cheika? Well he'll consider it, but he has some conditions that include allowing him to coach the Tahs. He's on a hiding to nothing being thrown in like this, so he's well within his rights to put a few conditions on.
Don't like it? As I said, take it up with Bill and tell him to go chase Eddie Jones, Robbie Deans or Jake White.
I'm not underestimating the job mate, I'm just telling you your anger is directed in the wrong place.
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Train Without a Station
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Completely different.
The NRL has 16 teams. He could never have gotten a squad over the line full of his players when they were down the wrong end of the ladder with that many options ahead of them, without performances in Origin, City vs Country, All Stars game or one of these other rep fixtures where the teams are chosen by other people.
It's much more of a representative set up, than an actual season in itself.
All this talk can be quashed if there is no special effort made to save Beale, and no left field selections come from a particular team.
But when the coach is swapping between hats, expect the uproar if this does occur.
And Douglas is too old to improve. I think we have to be ruthless and make sure these players are culled early from future consideration.
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