New Zealand vs Australia - Bledisloe 2, 24th August 2013

[Beefcake]

When the Refereeing is as clearly substandard as that was, I'd expect nothing less than the National Coach to say something about it.

Unlike other matches, there was no definite AB upperhand in that last match only poor Ref decisions the took away what was for the most part clear Wallaby momentum.

Not going up stairs to check on what turned out to be a clear try is unforgivable for a Ref at Test level. That shit changes games when then is very little separating both teams - Link was fully right to call it out.

Nothing to do with sour grapes – everything to do with fair play. Eh.

Does that mean Darkness are to give credit to the ref for favorable officiating... where do you draw the line?

Theres more than a hop, skip and jump from momentum to actually scoring tries, of which bar Folau's intercept, the Wobs failed to do... miserably as they have in this test season so far...

It must escape you that perhaps Peyper's ruling was correct - that Moore did not satisfy the criteria for awarding a try - whatever his reasoning. From replays it seems inconclusive, perhaps real-time showed, it wasn't a try from the ref POV. Perhaps Wob are lucky to even get the PK and not a scrum.

Your not asking for fair play, your asking for a miracle for these Wobs and in that, I join you cause.

Please join the cause and lobby the Ref association to treat these Wob more fairly because they are down on their luck and need some lovin and plenty of huggin... and so too these supporters...LOL

 

[cyclopath]

Wow, You found an unnoticed infringement in a rugby match. Amazing. Who would have thought?

Every time the Wobs end up on the wrong side of a ref is a little bit of payback for Lawrence-gate.

Karma. She's a real biatch.

You're welcome.

It would be Lawrencegate. No hyphens in '72, baby.

 

[cyclopath]

Does that mean Darkness are to give credit to the ref for favorable officiating. where do you draw the line?

Theres more than a hop, skip and jump from momentum to actually scoring tries, of which bar Folau's intercept, the Wobs failed to do. miserably as they have in this test season so far.

It must escape you that perhaps Peyper's ruling was correct - that Moore did not satisfy the criteria for awarding a try - whatever his reasoning. From replays it seems inconclusive, perhaps real-time showed, it wasn't a try from the ref POV. Perhaps Wob are lucky to even get the PK and not a scrum.

Your not asking for fair play, your asking for a miracle for these Wobs and in that, I join you cause.

Please join the cause and lobby the Ref association to treat these Wob more fairly because they are down on their luck and need some lovin and plenty of huggin. and so too these supporters.LOL

Bugger that, I'm lobbying for someone to release the apostrophes from bondage, and let them flourish.
A'men, bro'.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

it wasn't a try from the ref POV

Thats why they provide video from other POV's

 

[Dan54]

Unnoticed? Do you think Joubert and Franks were chatting?
You deserve this:
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What's the argument there , I can see Joubert has his arm out playing advantage!!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

What's the argument there , I can see Joubert has his arm out playing advantage!!

For McCaw flopping over the ball

Joubert seemed oblivious to what Franks was doing.

The playing of advantage for McCaw leaving his feet while Franks stands between 1/2 and 5/8 actually destroys any chance of the advantage accruing.

For the same reason and disregarding the legitimacy of the ruling when the penalty was reversed for holding back the man by Mowen, Peyper should have warned the AB's that their abject cynicism at the break down though unpunished this time was in danger of costing them a card.

 

[cyclopath]

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Joubert seemed oblivious to what Franks was doing.

Fair dibs, he entered through the gate, tunneled under the breakdown, and appeared there. Kudos to the man.

 

[Dan54]

IS, the reason we get all this substandard reffing seems to be all the very good refs are spending all their time on bloody rugby forums pointing out how poor the other ones are, or in the pub doing the same thing!!!
We should have about 10 Aussies in the top ten according to this site alone, imagine how many there would be when we check the other countrie's sites!!!!

 

[Dan54]

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Bollocks it was for McCaw flopping over ball, it was for coming past ball, have a look at the first 3 pics you put up and show us McCaw actually flopping over ball!!!! The ball is in sight at all times,with noone over it!!! I agree he penalised McCaw ,but it wasn't for that.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Bollocks it was for McCaw flopping over ball, it was for coming past ball, have a look at the first 3 pics you put up and show us McCaw actually flopping over ball!!!! The ball is in sight at all times,with noone over it!!! I agree he penalised McCaw ,but it wasn't for that.

Pull your head in.
Joubert says something about on your feet through the ruck: here is the link

Its about 17:20

 

[Beefcake]

Thats why they provide video from other POV's

Yes understood but all in all, Peyper made a decision, having seen Moore's attempt. If it was worth a look, he would have asked. Because he didn't ask, he believed what he observed wasn't worth the effort.

Im all for scrutiny and a possible solution is for test rugby to introduce a fan-based text-voting decision matrix to assist in dubious officiating - if four eyes are better than two imagine the possibilities.

 

[Richo]

Yes understood but all in all, Peyper made a decision, having seen Moore's attempt. If it was worth a look, he would have asked. Because he didn't ask, he believed what he observed wasn't worth the effort.

There is a problem with your logic.

Take your time. You'll get there.

 

[Pfitzy]

Peyper is a serial denier of the TMO so no surprise there. I generally like his style.

Thing is, refs don't want to make big calls on yellow cards, particularly early in the game. John Kaplan is particularly bad for this. Warning, warning, warning, right up until the 75th minute, then card

The problem there is a YC in the last ten minutes of a close game is far more detrimental than one in the first ten minutes of a game yet to get it's flow.

If refs used the simple premise for which the YC is designed - professional foul - then we'd see less of this kind of controversy. And I'm not singling out either team from the weekend.

And it's not just a downside for us, it causes the AB fans grief too.

There was an ABs v Wales EOYT Game back in 2006 where the home side were hot on attack inside the ABs 22 for almost the first time in the game on the second half. McCaw dived off his feet from an issue position, killed the ball, and was duly awarded a yellow card by Dave Pearson.

Well, the AB supporter net work was outraged. This ref was apparently an idiot! Did he not know, understand, and appreciate that Richie ALWAYS does that and ALWAYS, on the very worst of it, only received a penalty and a stern talking to, but more often a turnover?

Here's the official match report from the ABs website:

http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2138

Just to show you how utterly skewed their thinking is, a direct quote:

The second half opened with Carter adding another penalty goal.

After 15 minutes, captain Richie McCaw was sin-binned for allegedly killing the ball at a ruck, following an early warning.

ALLEGEDLY!

 

[nugget]

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Joubert seemed oblivious to what Franks was doing.

Ergh, forget about the refs saving us.

We need an enforcer at the back of our rucks, someone who's sole job is to strike fear into any AB thinking of flopping offside to disrupt our ruck. Put some doubt in the back of their minds. That's the biggest problem, they don't fear us in the rucks.

If black 7 suddenly appears there as he always does, drag him back to our try line with prejudice and hold him there, or clean him the fuck out of there.

We let them get away with murder and expect the refs to save us... Not gonna happen. The AB's have been doing it for years, time to get some back. God I miss Higgers.

 

[boyo]

Problem when you let accountants into anything.
Waits for accountants to fire up...
5,4,3,2,1...

Don't forget about the bean-counters.

 

[tekay]

I can't comment on your first sentance IS, as I believe that is more a perception thing than anything else. I'm not an avid reader of stats or don't religiously review each whistle (and non-whistle) and don't compile a list of the 'controversial' calls. I admit that in the early 2000s I thought George Smith "always" played with his knee's on the ground but yet would miraculously wind up with the ball with ref's waving play on.

Whilst that was the cause of great frustration and threats to do damage to the TV, I must admit I do like the human element that remains in rugby officiating that provides for that discretion of the ref which will result in disagreement for sure.

I remember back in 2005 I attended the OZ v NZ schoolboys match at Viking Park in Tuggeranong. Was surrounded by Aussie supporters with Eddie Jones sitting right in front of me. It was the close minutes of the game, OZ hot on attack with Beale and Cooper and Turner playing really well for OZ, but NZ was up on the scoreboard. A tackle happens, one of the NZ loosies, Michael Coman comes swooping in and plays for the steal, the crowd around me goes up in a collective "come on ref", I yell back "he's on his feet" and immediately after I yell the ref blows his whistle and awards the penalty to NZ because OZ player was holding on. Eddie Jones turns around and gives me a wry smile as if to say, well done.

Wow. You must have been so proud of the way YOU played.

 

[The Red Baron]

What is your actual point, other than a snide remark? How does that contribute to the conversation?

 

[Scoey]

Sorry Barron but in this particular discussion, we gave up on actually having 'points' perse some number of pages ago!

 

[Richo]

Sorry Barron but in this particular discussion, we gave up on actually having 'points' perse some number of pages ago!

As Wallaby fans, snide remarks are all we have left!

 

[ACT Crusader]

Wow. You must have been so proud of the way YOU played.

Do you actually read what other posters write? Serious question because I've read your last 5 posts and they either have very little relevance or coherence.

Let me spell it out for you, I was in the crowd, which means I wasn't playing. Eddie Jones said well done because I got the call right. The point being is that two people can see the same incident and there is disagreement on a call. And that disagreement stems from the fact that the ref has discretion - a discussion that Inside Shoulder and I were having.