New Zealand v Wallabies, Eden Park, Sat 22nd October

[Viking]

I think our tight five get caught as first receiver more than they need to. There were times last night were quick hand would have been good to see.

Quick hands is foreign to us. Even our "playmakers" think its better to run themselves let alone the tight five.

 

[KOB1987]

Yeh but why is he blaming the All Blacks for that? Although it's a nice conspiracy theory, I doubt the All Blacks control the media and what they print.

Please don't feed the troll.

 

[bigmac]

Quick hands is foreign to us. Even our "playmakers" think its better to run themselves let alone the tight five.

Tight five need to focus on fundamentals ie go forward securr clean ball and remove the retallicks et al loitering offside at the ruck. Let the backrow and backs worry about the sexy stuff and the ball running ball handling. THPs lurking in the backline indicate the piggies are taking short cuts and going wide before earning the right to do so.

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[Twoilms]

Man i had just started getting over the Speight incident. Started believing the bias was really just my disappointment in losing ... and then they cite Dean Mumm for next to nothing after Owen Franks gouges our players eye in full view of the camera and gets nothing. Will it never bloody end? How many times does the 'sore loser' tag excuse this shit?

 

[Scotty]

Too true, it then becomes a balancing act with other selections to cover the deficiencies until Byrne can attempt to work some magic since no other coach in Australia has spent any time on skills development.

In any event if Foley is selected as I've said I do not understand why DHP and Hodge are not in position to provide a kick option and get occasionally used to be a realistic option. No instead we have a tactic where we see a single option in position for the kick, the ball is released slowly and the kicker is under enormous pressure. It isn't just the fault of Foley/Hodge getting charged, its a matter of tactics and is another example of how we have become a dumb rugby nation.

I've been saying it since the second England game - clearly DHP is a better clearing kicker but for some reason our coach can't see that. It really isn't that hard to come up with a tactic where your winger (who plays fullback most of the time) can provide your clearing kicks.

I'm not sure why most here are willing to accept very clear tactical deficiencies with our coaches. We can't afford to play dumb rugby.

 

[KOB1987]

He continued to play on until the 79th minute. If he was concussed that is disgusting regard for player welfare by Steve Hansen and his management team.

Or is it just this spinning the storyline for the citing committee and the media.

Seriously how Mumm can get cited and Owen Franks not completely blows me away.

See, this is where we are bigger than them. Despite the indisputable evidence, Kane Douglas, being the proud country lad that he is, doesn't want to look like a pansy and let's it go, no doubt with the consultation of his coach. Franks gets off without even a warning.

The citing commissioner spots a dubious infringement that he thinks meets the red card threshold and all of a sudden the 'victim', Brodie retallick, a former international player of the year, is suffering from concussion and in doubt for the next test despite playing on for almost all of the remaining 35 minutes without even being referred for a concussion test. And he's not even man enough to admit that he was offside.

I'm proud.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Oh fuck me Kob. Get off your high horse.

You're now accusing a player of feigning concussion after a match to influence the citing commissioner?

Some of you blokes have gone off the deep end and are getting more embarrassing than Cheika throwing his toys out of the cot every time something goes against us.

I'd be proud if we could fucking accept losing to a better team as men and move on without petty bitching over it.

Not to much for me to proud about personally.

 

[Gnostic]

I've been saying it since the second England game - clearly DHP is a better clearing kicker but for some reason our coach can't see that. It really isn't that hard to come up with a tactic where your winger (who plays fullback most of the time) can provide your clearing kicks.



I'm not sure why most here are willing to accept very clear tactical deficiencies with our coaches. We can't afford to play dumb rugby.

Campo did it for years, then Roff. Its what I've always been on about having a balanced backline in selection. That's the start and then you need to use it tactically. What is it now 9 tests into the season and we finally have a balanced backline selected, not the best possible IMO but the closest yet and the best attack we have seen because we actually had some balance. (Balanced backrow also helps).

Brian Smith's blog on the front page was interesting, key point for me "Being able to convert pressure into points in the Red Zone is very important. It’s one the key stats for any attack coach." 1 try from a lot of possession and very good field position. Chieka had a very good year with the Tahs in 2014, but failed with regards to recruitment for 2015 and in addressing other issues in the side. He did well last year with the Wallabies but this year can only be regarded as a failure. For mine the key point has been his failure to bring in key specialist coaching to cover areas of deficiency until the horse has bolted well and truly. The Political appointment of the totally inexperienced Larkham who has zero professional coaching success is being exposed dreadfully at this level. Honestly if there was another option anywhere in Australian Rugby Chieka would be under very severe pressure for his job, not only on results but on performances.

 

[Twoilms]

Oh fuck me Kob. Get off your high horse.

You're now accusing a player of feigning concussion after a match to influence the citing commissioner?

Some of you blokes have gone off the deep end and are getting more embarrassing than Cheika throwing his toys out of the cot every time something goes against us.

I'd be proud if we could fucking accept losing to a better team as men and move on without petty bitching over it.

Not to much for me to proud about personally.

Wouldnt put it past them really.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Based on what other than your current history of being a bad sport?

 

[Scoey]

And to me, it is equally as shit when our media trot out sheep jokes and "Richetty Grub" front pages.

The fact that no All Black coach has made comment when they're on the receiving end is neither here nor there.

I agree. I think the media on both sides are shit. I think the very subtle difference between the Ritchie grub one and the clowns one is that one was disrespecting a (fairly divisive) player and the other disrespecting the jersey. What's the difference? Not much. But as Stephen Moore tried to say, you change the Wallabies jersey into a clowns outfit and you disrespect every player that has ever worn it. You can say what you want about he current crop of players but leave the jersey alone.

Both crossed the line. The clown jibe crossed it by a fair margin more in my opinion.

As for Chieka linking it to the AB's? Well he can think that all he wants and he may even be right, but as soon as he says it out loud, he looks like a tin foil hat wearing crazy man.

 

[KOB1987]

Ok TWAS maybe you can get on your high horse and explain when Retallick allegedly got concussed. Cos it wasn't in the 52nd minute unless their medics are inept.

I can handle the loss, I can handle the fact that we're not even close to them on the field, it's this crap that follows that shits me. You seem to be hypnotised into thinking that it's us that's playing a game with the media and officials when in fact it's them.

 

[Pfitzy]

10 (1) d)

Blocking the ball. A player must not intentionally move or stand in a position that prevents an opponent from playing the ball.

Which is ignored in favour of

10 (a)
Charging or pushing. When a player and an opponent are running for the ball, either player must not charge or push the other except shoulder-to-shoulder.

 

[Pfitzy]

I agree. I think the media on both sides are shit. I think the very subtle difference between the Ritchie grub one and the clowns one is that one was disrespecting a (fairly divisive) player and the other disrespecting the jersey. What's the difference? Not much.

Both had some emblems on them - pretty sure the Richetty Grub had the silver fern.

 

[Train Without a Station]

So no Australian player has ever been ruled out for concussion after not receiving medical attention during the game?

 

[Twoilms]

Based on what other than your current history of being a bad sport?

Youre doing this all wrong man. Sport is our release for our irrational, base tribalism and savagery. Save all this calm rationality for real life. Who's side are you on anyway?

 

[cyclopath]

I agree. I think the media on both sides are shit. I think the very subtle difference between the Ritchie grub one and the clowns one is that one was disrespecting a (fairly divisive) player and the other disrespecting the jersey. What's the difference? Not much. But as Stephen Moore tried to say, you change the Wallabies jersey into a clowns outfit and you disrespect every player that has ever worn it. You can say what you want about he current crop of players but leave the jersey alone.

Both crossed the line. The clown jibe crossed it by a fair margin more in my opinion.

As for Chieka linking it to the AB's? Well he can think that all he wants and he may even be right, but as soon as he says it out loud, he looks like a tin foil hat wearing crazy man.

Sooooo, you are saying he's a clown???????? derkaderkaderkasomethingsomething...............

 

[Scoey]

I thought it was just the back of the jersey with the number 7 on it? In any case the butt of the 'joke' was clearly Richie. In the clowns one, the jersey had been fully photoshopped into a clowns shirt with the title 'Send in the Clowns'. The butt of the 'joke' being the jersey.

Something similar would be one of our rags running a cover with the ABs mid haka, wild animated faces in full expression and us putting some, I don't know, face makeup or some other thing on the players and running a headline that called it a Haha instead of a haka etc. I know that's stupid but that's the difference. Again, both are shit.

Anyway, people will probably see it differently. That's cool. Just my 2c.

EDIT: I just checked and the silver fern is visible on the Richie one. It doesn't change my point but.

 

[Gnostic]

Both had some emblems on them - pretty sure the Richetty Grub had the silver fern.

It didn't just the back of the jersey was shown with McGrubs face on the worm.

@TWAS - George Smith against the Lions comes to mind, clearly and obviously concussed to everyone at the ground yet played on.

Also as stated previously what about favouring the attacking side in making a ruling as DHP was obviously to me moving to the outside line in support as the cover was coming from the inside and Savea was never going to catch Speight. Look at the lines before and after the break and where DHP looks. IMO the decision is made simply because of the starting points of thought from the refs and the reactions of the crowd.

The Coles one was much more difficult as it was actually on the ball and could have gone either way. The DHP one was clear cut IMO and Savea was taking out the support player because he had no hope at all of getting near Speight.

 

[KOB1987]

So no Australian player has ever been ruled out for concussion after not receiving medical attention during the game?

Ummmmm.....I'm sure someone has. Bit of a coincidence in this case don't you think though? I'd be more inclined to believe it if he actually received medical attention after the incident rather than getting stuck back into it after a 30 second Hollywood on his back and not missing a beat for the ensuing half an hour or so.

We'd be excused for thinking that you'd doubt mumm had the power to knock him out anyway.