New Zealand Rugby Team Watch
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waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Total of 1493 Test caps, the most ever for a RWC squad (but it's also the biggest, of course), average age 27 which I think is roughly the average for previous RWC-winners? Of the NPC provinces only Otago not represented.
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Finau, Weber & George Bell will travel as far as London to train with the squad prior to the warmup v SA.
All Blacks name 33-man squad for 2023 Rugby World Cup in France
All Blacks selectors Ian Foster, Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt have named the All Blacks squad for Rugby World Cup 2023 in France.
www.allblacks.com
Finau, Weber & George Bell will travel as far as London to train with the squad prior to the warmup v SA.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
You can probably thank your man Koroibete for that...
So would I/ agree.
Yeah, musta been a late call: as recently as yesterday all the media predictions were for a 19/14 split but they've gone 18/15 which is kinda odd.
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Ted Thorn (20)
Am I the only one who has no idea who George Bell is? Don't think I've seen his name pop up.Total of 1493 Test caps, the most ever for a RWC squad (but it's also the biggest, of course), average age 27 which I think is roughly the average for previous RWC-winners? Of the NPC provinces only Otago not represented.
All Blacks name 33-man squad for 2023 Rugby World Cup in France
All Blacks selectors Ian Foster, Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt have named the All Blacks squad for Rugby World Cup 2023 in France.
Finau, Weber & George Bell will travel as far as London to train with the squad prior to the warmup v SA.
Linerunner2023
Watty Friend (18)
Selections very similar to what most expected
However 5 back rowers and more outside backs will be interesting
Christie maybe abit lucky, and finau unlucky
havili only injured one coming back, unlucky for moody and Blackadder who would have made it if not injured. tJ perenara and sevu Reece also
what about nz next up side - with not selected or injured
How far would this go
1. Moody / bower / Ross
2. Aumua / riciteli / Thompson
3. Taavaou / ainsley / jager
4. Lord / Parkinson
5. Tuipulotu / ah koai
6. Blackadder / finau / ioane
7. Grace / Harmen
8. sotutu / Gus sokalawa
9. Perenara / webber / fakatava
10. Perefeta / ioane
11. Ennor / nareki
12. Teupeu / RTS (Roger Tuivasa-Sheck)
13. Goodhue / mcleod
14. Reece / etene Saturo
15. Stevenson
However 5 back rowers and more outside backs will be interesting
Christie maybe abit lucky, and finau unlucky
havili only injured one coming back, unlucky for moody and Blackadder who would have made it if not injured. tJ perenara and sevu Reece also
what about nz next up side - with not selected or injured
How far would this go
1. Moody / bower / Ross
2. Aumua / riciteli / Thompson
3. Taavaou / ainsley / jager
4. Lord / Parkinson
5. Tuipulotu / ah koai
6. Blackadder / finau / ioane
7. Grace / Harmen
8. sotutu / Gus sokalawa
9. Perenara / webber / fakatava
10. Perefeta / ioane
11. Ennor / nareki
12. Teupeu / RTS (Roger Tuivasa-Sheck)
13. Goodhue / mcleod
14. Reece / etene Saturo
15. Stevenson
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
NZ U20's & a handful of Super Rugby appearances for CruSadists. Big raps on the kid down in Cantabland.
Edit: the fourth hooker was intended to be Asafo Aumua but he's picked up a calf injury & is out for a good chunk of NPC.
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John Thornett (49)
Gonna roll out Caleb and Leicester in the loosies against Uruguay.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Josh Lord added to the squad for the SA warmup match, Bell now not going as he's injured.
Linerunner2023
Watty Friend (18)
I see along with havili, teupua and taavaou coming back last week and havili making abs
Tuipulotu and Cullen grace also back this week
do the ABs 15 have any more games?
man’s when may moody, Blackadder and Perenara be back? Could be RWC back up’s if injured occur
sounds like foz was tinkering with taking Blackadder and moody
Tuipulotu and Cullen grace also back this week
do the ABs 15 have any more games?
man’s when may moody, Blackadder and Perenara be back? Could be RWC back up’s if injured occur
sounds like foz was tinkering with taking Blackadder and moody
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Interesting to hear Weber after that cracker Hawkes Bay game on Wednesday, was asked if that was his final game for the Bay, as he off to England for AB/Bok game, he said "hell no, I am flying straight back, I was asked this by someone last week too". So they not staying over there for injury cover for WC obviously. But was also stoked to hear how shocked he was that anyone would think he would miss a chnace to play more games for his beloved Magpies before heading to France.
Linerunner2023
Watty Friend (18)
Joe moody back this week for Canterbury
A solid replacement for the front row of anyone goes down during RWC
A solid replacement for the front row of anyone goes down during RWC
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John Thornett (49)
Didn't realise the other discussion was on the NPC thread so moving it here as seems more appropriate.
Was digging around for some info on the Irish development system and came across this report from 2019. Seems the private/elite school development system works for Ireland because of the greater, more consistent, control they get over young aspirant pro players. idk how you can reconcile that with a more egalitarian schools structure where players would be more distributed and less supervised.
www.setantacollege.com
Where players come from
Players that go on to represent their country seem to come from key schools as they transition through the provincial sub-academies and academies to the professional game. Typically between 70% and 85% of players who represent Ireland graduate upwards from these key schools. The close link between schools and the academies and their outreach regions (mainly clubs) in particular seems to be the true ‘key’ in the pathway of development. For example, the Leinster sub-academy has what can only be considered an outstanding conversion rate of 85% to the professional game. Of significance is also the fact that approximately 65% of the current Irish international players come through the Leinster sub-academy spearheaded since its founding by Dave Fagan. While this is a great tribute to the work of Dave and his colleagues, it does highlight a possible gap in other development sections. Once addressed they can also contribute to a greater extent to the development of elite players.
Longevity
Of all the markers that can be used to assess the effectiveness of a development pathway, a player’s longevity at the highest level of the game is one that reflects a more holistic reference that combines several important yet often unappreciated demands on the player. The factors that we have seen that impact on the years spent plying their trade include their early period of development, their capacity to limit injury incidence, the management of their game number in any given year, their lifestyle approach and their, would you believe, sleep quality/duration.
Several other factors such as fitness levels and physical measurements such as stature, body weight, and body fat were considered. Also included were other markers associated with mood. The surprising outcome however was that the single biggest contributor to a long career was the years devoted to physical development before starting on a professional contract. We call this ‘Training Age’ and this seems to be one of the main factors in influencing and impacting the longevity of a pro player in Ireland. In simple terms, the more years spent under a supervised fitness specialist such as a strength and conditioning coach, the greater the possibility of having an extended career as a player.
Workload
One other major finding, and one which will raise some eyebrows, is that it seems that those players who completed a higher workload in the late teen years and in their early 20’s seem to have also gained an advantage in terms of their capacity to endure a career in the professional game. While this is not the first time that we have found this ‘paradoxical’ relationship between workload and performance (Hogan and Jordan 2016), it is one which will no doubt prompt discussion as to how much work is required during the development stage to become a robust player in team sports.
Summary
The development of the Irish Rugby player over the last 3 decades was initiated by Stephen Aboud, who is now the Italian Rugby Technical Director. He and his colleagues within coaching, fitness, physiotherapy, and nutritional fields guided this development pathway long before a formal staged pathway (LTAD) was popularised in the 2000s.
In assessing the evolution of the pathway it is clear that Ireland has benefitted significantly from this early phase of player development. It may surprise many but there is still a limited number of schools who literally produce the majority of Ireland’s players.
From this structured development, where training age is increased especially from the junior stage through to the final secondary school year, players then transition to the sub-academy within the provinces. These academies are arguably the most productive academies in the world of team sports. There are still opportunities to forge a more effective development pathway, mainly through continued and greater support of schools, (sub) academies, and more focused support of clubs at all stages of development. Nevertheless, the current synergy between schools and academies is seen as a world-class development pathway, regardless of the limitation in player numbers.
Was digging around for some info on the Irish development system and came across this report from 2019. Seems the private/elite school development system works for Ireland because of the greater, more consistent, control they get over young aspirant pro players. idk how you can reconcile that with a more egalitarian schools structure where players would be more distributed and less supervised.
Irish Rugby Player Pathway | Evolution of a Player Development System - Setanta College Blog
Former Director of Fitness with the IRFU, Dr. Liam Hennessy, looks at the creation and evolution of the Irish Rugby's Player Development System (LTAD).
www.setantacollege.com
Where players come from
Players that go on to represent their country seem to come from key schools as they transition through the provincial sub-academies and academies to the professional game. Typically between 70% and 85% of players who represent Ireland graduate upwards from these key schools. The close link between schools and the academies and their outreach regions (mainly clubs) in particular seems to be the true ‘key’ in the pathway of development. For example, the Leinster sub-academy has what can only be considered an outstanding conversion rate of 85% to the professional game. Of significance is also the fact that approximately 65% of the current Irish international players come through the Leinster sub-academy spearheaded since its founding by Dave Fagan. While this is a great tribute to the work of Dave and his colleagues, it does highlight a possible gap in other development sections. Once addressed they can also contribute to a greater extent to the development of elite players.
Longevity
Of all the markers that can be used to assess the effectiveness of a development pathway, a player’s longevity at the highest level of the game is one that reflects a more holistic reference that combines several important yet often unappreciated demands on the player. The factors that we have seen that impact on the years spent plying their trade include their early period of development, their capacity to limit injury incidence, the management of their game number in any given year, their lifestyle approach and their, would you believe, sleep quality/duration.
Several other factors such as fitness levels and physical measurements such as stature, body weight, and body fat were considered. Also included were other markers associated with mood. The surprising outcome however was that the single biggest contributor to a long career was the years devoted to physical development before starting on a professional contract. We call this ‘Training Age’ and this seems to be one of the main factors in influencing and impacting the longevity of a pro player in Ireland. In simple terms, the more years spent under a supervised fitness specialist such as a strength and conditioning coach, the greater the possibility of having an extended career as a player.
Workload
One other major finding, and one which will raise some eyebrows, is that it seems that those players who completed a higher workload in the late teen years and in their early 20’s seem to have also gained an advantage in terms of their capacity to endure a career in the professional game. While this is not the first time that we have found this ‘paradoxical’ relationship between workload and performance (Hogan and Jordan 2016), it is one which will no doubt prompt discussion as to how much work is required during the development stage to become a robust player in team sports.
Summary
The development of the Irish Rugby player over the last 3 decades was initiated by Stephen Aboud, who is now the Italian Rugby Technical Director. He and his colleagues within coaching, fitness, physiotherapy, and nutritional fields guided this development pathway long before a formal staged pathway (LTAD) was popularised in the 2000s.
In assessing the evolution of the pathway it is clear that Ireland has benefitted significantly from this early phase of player development. It may surprise many but there is still a limited number of schools who literally produce the majority of Ireland’s players.
From this structured development, where training age is increased especially from the junior stage through to the final secondary school year, players then transition to the sub-academy within the provinces. These academies are arguably the most productive academies in the world of team sports. There are still opportunities to forge a more effective development pathway, mainly through continued and greater support of schools, (sub) academies, and more focused support of clubs at all stages of development. Nevertheless, the current synergy between schools and academies is seen as a world-class development pathway, regardless of the limitation in player numbers.
