New Wallabies Jersey?
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Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Also IIRC the Maori team have a silver fern, as does the ladies. They even call them the black ferns don't they ,even though they have a silver fern on a black jumper?
Pretty sure that the NZ Schoolboys have a silver fern. Going back far enough, I think I have seen a NZ Universities rugby team jumper with a silver fern on it.
The precious silver fern is not reserved for just one jumper in rugby. Plenty of teams apart from the NZ Open Mens Rugby team wear a silver fern on their rugby jumpers.
mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
Its not exclusive.... a few cougars have a silver fern...
matty_k
Peter Johnson (47)
There is also a whole bunch of silver ferns on the uniforms of the NZ Olympians.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/photos/7189763/NZ-Olympic-uniforms
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/photos/7189763/NZ-Olympic-uniforms
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Tell that to the selectors.
Swat
Chilla Wilson (44)
I'm sorry Scotty but I've had enough of this bullshit. I'm not saying you are the only one who has made this claim but the fact of the matter is just because you are personally not happy with the team selection doesn't mean that there exists some behind-the-curtain secret agenda of the wallabies selectors to ensure that Waratahs are picked.
Dingo gets the final say and I'm sure he couldn't give a flying fuck where the players are from and even if he did it goes against all logic that he would deliberately pick players he thought would not perform. It's not like there's enough people calling for his head already.
/rant
mudskipper
Colin Windon (37)
Deans clearly thinks these Tahs under achieved but can deliver in Gold...
Scotty
David Codey (61)
I was just posting in response to 'all interstate/inter franchise rubbish should be set aside in the national interest'.
Can you tell me, hand on heart, that it doesn't appear the Tahs players have been favoured, when you consider their form? In fact they have been favoured in three ways:
1. By the scheduling in June that meant it was always likely there would be more Tahs selected to play the first Wales test (and we all thought the second Wales test would be our No. 1 team, but it turns out we just gave the same blokes another couple of games).
2. By the fact that some are clearly out of form, or at least below the standard of their competitors in many positions (TPN, Timani, Horne - you could even make a case against Robinson and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)).
3. By the fact that Deans is using lack of fitness as a reason not to pick Cooper, but at the same time picking Mitchell who is in the same position. Not to mention that TPN and Timani are clearly not up to 80 minutes of super rugby let alone test rugby.
Bullrush
Geoff Shaw (53)
The point was that the silver fern is reserved for national representative teams.....and almost all of them wear black jerseys. As someone pointed out, most of them are also changing their names to include 'All Blacks' somewhere in it.The silver fern should not all be associated with provinicial or franchise teams IMO.
Was I really not that clear?? Oh well.....
Again - NZ representatives. But I did also say 'rugby'.
Bullrush
Geoff Shaw (53)
Do you really think that there is a Tahs bias going on in the Wallabies?
1. The Wallabies won 3 Tests against the current 6 Nations champs. Geez....I thought us AB fans were tough?!?!
2. TPN would be on the bench minimum. There is Morre, TPN and then daylight. So he's starting....Moore will get 30min at least. Who else is head and shoulders better than Timani/Horne/AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)? In reality, the options just come down to personal preference. You may not particularly like these guys but it's not like Caleb Ralph getting picked ahead of Roger Randle or Bruce Reihana.
3. Let's say there is actually something going on behind the scenes with QC (Quade Cooper) and RD. Do you really expect RD to come out and tell everyone that he's not happy with QC (Quade Cooper)'s attitude or effort or personality?!?!
Your team is picked and will play the ABs on Saturday....get behind them.
The reality with Quade Cooper is that he missed out on a bench spot because we picked a 5th forward, not because of Drew Mitchell.
It may well be true that Deans doesn't consider his fitness suitable for playing 80 minutes of test rugby.
With McCabe injured it was always going to be either Barnes and Fainga'a or Cooper and Barnes. Barnes was never not going to be in the starting team after the series against Wales.
It may well be true that Deans doesn't consider his fitness suitable for playing 80 minutes of test rugby.
With McCabe injured it was always going to be either Barnes and Fainga'a or Cooper and Barnes. Barnes was never not going to be in the starting team after the series against Wales.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Deans mentioned Cooper's fitness, but conveniently ignored the fact of Mitchell's. Why why why?
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Not really, but I can't guarantee that there isn't based on the selections and form we have seen this year.
"Quade quite obviously is not at the top of his fitness yet, but he is back in the game, which is great.
"He's been training with us for two of the last three weeks, which is good. The first week he sat out because he was not fully fit. He's had a couple of club games, which is good. He's working hard. He was obviously an option, but in the end it's pretty straightforward."
Asked what Cooper had to do to get back in the Test team, Deans said: "Keep doing what he's doing. Keep working with us.
"It will unfold over time. There is not a lot of certainty in this industry.
"I've got no doubt he will get an opportunity again, absolutely.
"It's good that he is back now training with us. He is picking up the content and working hard on his physical state."
So the first week of training, Cooper was injured and couldn't train. That definitely says something.
In terms of Mitchell he said the following:
"His experience was important," Deans said. "We needed cover in the outside backs. That was the key need and he was the best for the job.
"He returned to the ground some time ago. You do need that top end sharpness as an outside back and he's been working hard at that. He's making progress.
"In terms of his best state, he's not there, but he is well underway. His experience in this sort of cauldron is valuable."
So he has stated that Mitchell isn't quite there yet. Obviously he has been considered close enough to 'there' to be a viable bench option.
I think Cooper would have also been 'there' if we'd gone for a 4-3 split.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
There are some conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hat wearers that would find evidence of a bias in a team selected by an IEEE endorsed, Government approved Random Number Generator.
The Wobs are the Wobs, representing all of Australia. C'mon GOLD!!!
The Wobs are the Wobs, representing all of Australia. C'mon GOLD!!!
Richo
John Thornett (49)
Don't feel bad about that. Philosophers have spent thousands of years trying to work out how to prove that something definitively doesn't exist.
Swat
Chilla Wilson (44)
1. I'm not sure who scheduled the June tests, or the super rugby calendar. I'm not even sure which ones were scheduled first. The schedule was always going to favour one of the provinces and depending on how long ago it was scheduled (i.e. before 2011 season finished) it may have been tactically done that way (to favour the tahs) but that would have also been seen as being in the best interests of the wallabies at the time. Either way, this is just pure speculation. Can you tell me, "hand on heart" that a) such a tactic was employed or b) that if it was it was done in the best interests of the tahs over the wallabies. As for knowing what everyone else in the country thinks and amazingly all of us having the same opinion on who should be picked in the side; this is a gift you need to share with the world, here I thought psychics were full of it.
2. Claiming that subjective opinions are "fact" is pushing it. I personally would like Moore to start before TPN, but I think in the grand scheme of things the difference is negligible. Timani, I'm with you, but I'd rather have Douglas so I guess my opinion doesn't count as it is actually part of a further secret evil plan to fill the wallabies with waratahs.
3. Did you ever think Dingo using the term "lack of fitness" for Cooper might be a nicer way (and probably less damaging to Quade's psyche) of telling him he's lost faith in his ability to perform under the pressure of a test match. As for TPN and Timani not being up to 80 minutes of test rugby, Dingo has had ample time to get these guys up to scratch.
What I'm saying is that there are explanations available to justify Robbies selections even if they aren't immediately apparent they seem to be more logical than inventing a conspiracy theory.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Cooper can't have been too unfit in that first week since they've let him play two club games.
The word on the street (from inside the camp actually) is that Mitchell is a long long way from full fitness and has been sitting out training sessions as late as last week.
So I'm calling bullshit on pretty much everything Robbie is saying above.
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