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Chilla Wilson (44)
I think scoring as-is is fine. But still interested to see how it works out.
As Lee said anything that relies upon top tier refs stopping players cynically giving away penalties by issuing cards or penalty tries is already on shaky ground. Look at how much uproar there was in the WC when Rolland issues a red card according to the rules. There's more and more pressure on Refs not to issue cards in important games and spoil the spectacle but when there's cynical play NOT issuing a card is going to spoil the spectacle.
Some Refs hardly ever issue cards at all whereas others are card happy so it's easy for teams (not just Richie) to play the Ref. It's not a reason to NOT trial the scoring change more that the issuing of cards shouldn't be relied upon to level the playing field at the highest level.
One thing is clear the game needs more consistent refreeing at the top tier. But it's so hard to reach agreement in a discussion of 4 or 5 people on what is a good referee let alone in the game as a whole. As an example Nigel Owens in one of my favourite Refs. I love how he handles back chat from players and also his refing of the scrum (you'll often see him allowing an 8 or scrum-half to play the ball from the back of a colapsed scrum). One thing I don't agree with him on is the twitter stuff, but I believe all players and officials should be covered by a social media code. But others would see this as bad refing and say he's not actually refing the scrum.
It's just my opinion and probably a lot of people will disagree. But I think at the highest level instead of Refs being issued with edicts instructing them to interpret a law a certain way. The Refs should get together once a year. These should be all refs on the international panel plus a group of up and coming refs who'll be the core of the next generation of international refs. The IRB should set the agenda, based on the current hot topics, of what laws are to be discussed then agreement should be reached with the refs on consistent implementation of those laws. Also I still believe refs at WC and Lions tour should be based centrally and made to share rooms on a rotation similar to the lions to encourage refs to communicate with each other.
Get the refs seeing themselves as a team and refing more consistently then tackle what needs to be changed in the laws.
Agree with most of what you have to say here.
With regards to the Ref's coming together... is once a year often enough? I have always wondered how often reviews are conducted into the ref'ing of games, how is feed back provided in a timely manner on there (their) performance. With todays technology I would expect referees in each high level comp (talking Super Rugby type level) could review and discuss calls and games each week. As long as they don not change their mind each week how a law in going to be interpreted then it should only come to good.
Will be interesting to see what this trial does resolve though.