New concussion regulations

[Scotty]

This from TPN in today's SMH:
''It was all friendly, I should have just ducked but I didn't see it coming. I was fine, I wasn't concussed, I was just hamming it up really to get the penalty, and I got it [and] moved on.''

If a bloke stays down and is apparently unconscious he should be forced to leave the field for evaluation.
We don't want to finish up with divers: some people already think the game is too dangerous for their kids to play and lying doggo is a bad look.




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I have thought for a whole that the general injury rule should be if the game has to stop for your injury to be attended to, then you should have to leave the field. Would stop a lot of blokes going down for 'breathers'

 

[Inside Shoulder]

He just admitted milking a penalty.. wow respect lost.

let the diving begin - they have a different code for that

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Whats wrong with this law:

 

[Braveheart81]

Inside Shoulder - it often still involves several minutes of play being stopped before the injured player is carried off.

The same generally happens in rugby. If a player is requiring so much treatment on the field that it is holding up the game for a long time then the referee generally asks for the player to either continue playing or be replaced.

I don't feel like the above rule in soccer really decreases stoppages in play relative to rugby.

 

[qwerty51]

IS, I think you're getting a bit carried away here. What TPN did is not diving, after all he got hit pretty hard flush on the head, you'd excuse him for staying down a long time but if he said he was milking the extent of the injury I don't condone that. Just don't think it's anything like soccer where they completely fake contact.

 

[Braveheart81]

qwerty51 - I agree. It's more gamesmanship than anything. TPN knew that Ma'afu had committed a high tackle that was certainly going to win his side a penalty and possibly a yellow card against Ma'afu.

If he jumps straight back up on his feet, the referee might miss the high tackle altogether and there'd be no review. You stay down for a few seconds and the referee blows a penalty, stops play and reviews the incident.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

qwerty51 and Braveheart81 there's a couple of issues here.
Firstly, I saw the contact and it never occurred to me that it had been inadequate to knock TNP out. So his lying there looked legitimate. I saw him stumbling around later I thought - this may be the dreaded double triple cross: he's trying to cover the fact that he actually did have a head injury!
Secondly, I'd never looked at the soccer laws before: they're pretty explicit about zero, nicht, keine treatment on the field. I agree that this is seldom policed. But it seemed like a good law - for a whole range of reasons including the B*llshit injuries the cheetahs came up with a couple of weeks ago. You need treatment - off you go. Soon stop the crap.
I see some issues - they could be ironed out. Vickerman's bloody contact lenses spring to mind immediately - I must have wasted the equivalent of a whole game (perhaps a season) throughout his career watching him trying to put them back in!
Thirdly, TPN's biggest mistake was to speak openly about milking it. Very bad idea. All the refs will have seen it, for one thing. Speaking about it shows a real lack of judgment - that's one for your mates in the team not the press - unless we're back in my first point and he's trying to throw us off the scent.

 

[Scotty]

Only thing that stuffs the no treatment on field rule in rugby is scrums. You would have to have replacements come on and then teams would use that to give front rowers a short breather.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Only thing that stuffs the no treatment on field rule in rugby is scrums. You would have to have replacements come on and then teams would use that to give front rowers a short breather.

Yeah I know.
You could do this: uncontested & other team to put the ball in. That would sort out the truly injured from the merely malingering!

 

[Shiggins]

He just admitted milking a penalty.. wow respect lost.

Did you not see the tackle? He milked the shit out of it. It was very obvious.

 

[p.Tah]

Interesting use of electronic mouth guards to measure the impact of force which correlates to a potential concussion

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/8505721/Electronic-mouthguards-help-rugby-players

 

[the plastic paddy]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/tom-english-rugby-concussion-rule-causes-alarm-1-2868497

Thought this article might be of interest. I think it is very interesting that this relates to O'Driscoll who played on (yet a fucking gain) with concussion against the French in the six nations and turned out a week later against Italy as did young Luke Marshall who was concussed twice in a week. When are they going to cop onto to how unbelievably dangerous it is to play on with concussion, when someone dies on the field?

 

[p.Tah]

When are they going to cop onto to how unbelievably dangerous it is to play on with concussion, when someone dies on the field?

That article I posted above described a Rugby League player who died on the field because of repeated concussions. I agree it's serious.
It's not like playing on because you've injured your ankle or shoulder. It's your brain for crying out loud.

You need your brain. These guys are too small to become forwards

 

[Braveheart81]

The biggest problem with a lot of these tests is that all the players fake the baseline tests at the start of the season.

By pretending to be slower and have worse memory than they actually do, they are more likely to pass the concussion tests during and after games during the season.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

The biggest problem with a lot of these tests is that all the players fake the baseline tests at the start of the season.

By pretending to be slower and have worse memory than they actually do, they are more likely to pass the concussion tests during and after games during the season.

Ahem - the mungoes arent faking!

 

[Braveheart81]

Ahem - the mungoes arent faking!

Sure they are. They're pretending to be only able to count to four or five when most of them can count all the way to six.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Sure they are. They're pretending to be only able to count to four or five when most of them can count all the way to six.

the refs can even get to 7

 

[cyclopath]

Sure they are. They're pretending to be only able to count to four or five when most of them can count all the way to six.

I heard a rumour many have the numbers 1-6 tattooed on their person just in case. Just under the misspelt sanskrit mantra, and Mandarin characters for "Long soup", just next to the barcode.

 

[D-Box]

I heard a rumour many have the numbers 1-6 tattooed on their person just in case. Just under the misspelt sanskrit mantra, and Mandarin characters for "Long soup", just next to the barcode.

Wait - they can read?

 

[the plastic paddy]

I know the sports are not comparable but I thought this might be of interest in relation to this discussion, I will try and get hold of anecdotal evidence as to whether the Jockeys attempt to fake the baseline tests. However this system initially looks a lot more rigorous than the one employed in rugby.

A GUIDE TO CONCUSSION TESTING FOR JOCKEYS.
Base Line Tests

• All Jockeys need to complete a baseline test every year (between January and December).
• There is a network of regional testing centres (Please see table below).
• The Jockey’s licence renewal will not be delayed in relation to a new concussion being carried out.
• If you are unable to attend a booked baseline test, you must cancel your appointment by notifying the centre at least 24 hours in advance. Thereafter, all appointments will be charged to the Jockey at the full fee (£80.00).

If a Jockey suffers concussion on the Racecourse

• They will be automatically suspended for six clear days and a red entry will be placed on his medical record.
• If, for example, the first day of suspension is on a Wednesday, they cannot ride again until the following Wednesday at the earliest.

Return to Race Riding

• If a Jockey wishes to be considered for an immediate return after the six-day suspension i.e. they have suffered no other injury and is not experiencing headaches, they should do the following:
• Contact Dr. Turner’s secretary, Helen in the Medical Department at the BHA, (0207 152 0138) on the first business day after the fall if symptom-free. Explain that they wish her to arrange an appointment for a re-test and neurological review. The Jockey should not book an appointment their self.
• The Jockey should only take the test when they are completely symptom free (i.e. no longer suffering headaches), as they may fail and be sidelined for an even longer period. So, if the Jockey does not feel well enough, they should wait a few days and then ask for a test – they will get back quicker if passing the test first time by waiting that extra day.
• At the review, the Jockey will complete the baseline test again and the result will be reviewed by a specialist (usually on the same day)
• When the BHA is in possession of the Jockey’s results, they will inform the Jockey either:
  • a. They are able to return to race-riding the following day
  • b. They are suspended for a further 10-14 days. A further examination will be carried out after another 10-14 days.
  • c. The BHA requires a further review to ascertain whether a new baseline needs to be established. It is natural for a baseline to naturally lower as we get older and therefore although the Jockey may not have any problems, they may just not reach the old level at the re-test. A new level will be then established once the BHA is satisfied that this is the reason behind the results. This unfortunately can delay the process.