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National Club Competition

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WorkingClassRugger

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Michael Lynagh (62)
How about re-introducing the Australian Rugby Shield. The Shield had amateur teams from each state excluding Sydney and Brisbane. All you would need to do is enter Sydney and Brisbane teams. For those bring back the City vs Country concept of old and have the boys fromm the country play for the country. That's 9 teams. First past the post. That's 8 weeks played during the time period Super Rugby is down from next year.
 
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Geoff Shaw (53)
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Great Idea Enforcer!

My thinking is on a lot smaller scale! We already have a club championship game between the Qld and NSW winners every year. Why not expand on that slowly.
Add the grand finalist. Then Victoria's, ACT's and WA's finalists. Teams are rewarded fror performing in their competitions by being drafted into the big show! not the same teams every year.
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I think the smaller Unions would have to send Rep sides rather then their best clubs, they don't have as many good players and when the players get good they often end up in NSW or Qld club anyway.

A good example of why not to have smaller unions send their clubs is the Italian clubs' luck in the Heineken cub, they god smashed. Hopefully their new franchise style setup reaps the benefits soon.
 
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En force er I agree with your comments and idea on structure.
I would however like to see some reward for club sides be it they either regional or city based to make a push into the tournament. Little steps...if you bild it they will come.
 
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Geoff Shaw (53)
The Gunsmith said:
En force er I agree with your comments and idea on structure.
I would however like to see some reward for club sides be it they either regional or city based to make a push into the tournament. Little steps...if you bild it they will come.
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Well that was the point of saying Central Coast, Newcastle-Hunter and Illawarra would have to be entered into the comp so the potential was there.

Perhaps one could say these Baba sides would play solely out of regional centers to spread the gospel of the game.
 
RugbyFuture

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I would contribute to this post with my general ramblings and fully mocked up ideas, but I've burdened this site with them so much already it would be a waste of time.
 
wamberal

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Phil Kearns (64)
The best thing all you enthusiasts could do is to start a collection. No money, no national competition. The last attempt allegedly cost $8 million - although I would take that figure with a large truckload of salt. The game cannot afford to subsidise anything that makes a loss at the moment.
 
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Paul McLean (56)
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wamberal said:
The best thing all you enthusiasts could do is to start a collection. No money, no national competition. The last attempt allegedly cost $8 million - although I would take that figure with a large truckload of salt. The game cannot afford to subsidise anything that makes a loss at the moment.
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Part of the problem with the ARC was that they wanted to pay the players. I don't see this as a competition where players can make a living off playing rugby. They can be provided with compensation for missed work but for the competition to work it has to be cost effective.
 
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Bob McCowan (2)
I would be curious to know how many people here are actually involved in Club Rugby Administration. It's hard enough to get the teams out on the park every week as it is. To start adding in extra competitions, or changing the calendars significantly is never going to work. NEVER, Not in this life time, when hell freezes over, after the end of time, 2 chances - buckleys and none, NEVER EVER. Is that clear enough for all you dreamers.

If you want Rugby Union to go national you have to start with what you have. I can only talk from a Sydney perspective but it could be easily replicated in Brisbane. Other States will need to develop numbers before moving onto this level.

Reduce the number of teams each club has to field each week. 1st Grade, Reserve Grade and Colts.
Suburban Rugby then gets the players looking for games increasing the depth of community rugby while enhancing the prestige of premier rugby.
Suburban Clubs then align themselves with premier clubs. This provides local player depth as well as a clearly identified development path. Subbies, Premier, City/Country, Super 15, Wallabies.
Premier rugby becomes more appealing as you only get quality games. With only 3 teams to manage, games can be easily moved to be played on different days to suit spectator demand and TV.

No new Clubs
Actual development pathways
Better resource allocation
Better Revenue Prospects

The problem is the result would not materialise for a few years and too many Club stalwarts would $h!t themselves at the prospect of change. That and the requirement to actually run a club professionally is probably beyond them.

By contantly short circuting the Competition chain, underdeveloped players make it to levels they are just not prepared for and spend 2 out of every 3 games injured becasue they get smashed. Stop demanding shiney new competitions. Start demanding the best from what we already have rather than constantly shooting ourselves in the foot trying to create a stillborn horse to flog.
 
WorkingClassRugger

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Michael Lynagh (62)
As much as many would like to believe Club Rugby will never deliver us the quality of competition that the Curries Cup and ITM Cup do for SA and NZ. We need something to sought this out. I've been watching the Shute Shield and without the Super Rugby contracted player's the competition is just lacking the necessary quality.

This is the reasoning behind my suggestions of re-introducing the ARS was to rekindle traditional representative Rugby. It would give us the necessary bridging structure to produce quality talent. The importance of the Clubs will still exist as they as they do in NZ and SA by providing a crucial developmental pathway to the next level. They just wouldn't be the next best thing to Super Rugby. Just think about it. Using our closet rival in Australia as an example, has a number of development tiers below the NRL. In NSW alone they have the NSW Cups, Toyota Cup and Bundaberg Cup. Each effectively feeds into the other. To be competitive both internationally and domestically we need to follow suit.
 
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Desmond Connor (43)
With the expansion of Super rugby to 15 teams (and the likelihood it will be 18 after 2015) there is no room in the rugby calendar for an ARC. The best players not playing S15 are already playing club rugby in Sydney, Brisbane and Canberra. Putting a new competition in under S15 is continuing a 'top down' model for rugby when IMHO Oz rugby's biggest problem is players being unable to perform the basics of the game at any high level consistently. The ARU needs to take leadership in this regard by improving coaching development and structures at a grassroots level across the whole country (this would include private schools) in every club. If the ARU improve the standard of coaching this will lead to a better standard of player at the base level, these players improve the levels above will gradually improve leading to greater depth for Oz rugby.
 
WorkingClassRugger

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Michael Lynagh (62)
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Another rugby stadium development? Here's hoping it is more of success than Concord.
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Would be good if it ever happens. Close to the CBD, with a moderate capacity (look to Forsyth Bar Stadium for guidance) and it would be a great home ground for the Tahs. IMO.
 
WorkingClassRugger

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Michael Lynagh (62)
RugbyFuture said:
The only place a rugby stadium should be developed is a 30-40k one outside of ANZ Stadium.
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I'd say 30,000 absolute maximum. It should be designed with crowd 'initmacy' in mind. By that, I mean where the crowd is almost on top of you, close to the action. The larger a stadium gets the less of an effective it has. I'd go for 25,000 with the ability to boost it to 30,000 when needed.
 
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wamberal said:
Which city? Brisbane? It's about time we heard something about the Ballymore redevelopment.
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it's a SMH article so Sydney is the likely locality....

As for Ballymore, there are a lot of working parts, a major issue is government involvement.. Sitting on the cusp of state and federal elections, it's unlikely to be given funding as a vote winner, so on that note we won't see any real developments on the subject for another 6 months...
 
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