Melbourne Rebels 2024

[Rebel man]

Will be hard as to get there for me

 

[molman]

Any insight as to what RA don't like?

I'm curious as well, though I can't see a team based 30km or so west of Melbourne in a paddock being highly attractive over a Melbourne based team, and every new partner (in this case a PE consortium of some sort) brings possible future challenges, including plans around their push for more centralisaiton.

Not to mention that Western Union FC's bid and entry into the A-League was very much tied to them having a home stadium (Wyndham City Stadium) which was scoped to be completed by 2021 but has yet to materialise.

 

[Highlander35]

Will be hard as to get there for me

The South-South East will be the most heavily impacted (especially if travelling by car) but everybody not in the west is going to feel the pain.

But it would be pennies on the dollar compared to AAMI park facilities, we wouldn't be obliged to schedule fixtures around the Storm or the Vuck or Shitty, and we'd have owners who for some god forsaken reason are trying to make West Melbourne more desirable to do things in and want us to be part of it.

A sacrifice I'm very comfortable making.

 

[Wilson]

Dunno what Vic Gov have to sign off on, hopefully they're an investor too.

I can only speculate what RA don't like but presume they think 5 teams is unviable and need to focus on their strengths. Also maybe as a creditor they don't trust getting paid out.

The main issue for RA is probably that a deal that's enough money for the rebels to survive a year or two but the just end up back in the same situation leaves RA on the hook again and worse off overall. In that situation they probably see it as better to pull the bandaid now and restructure the comp.

That's why that excess runway beyond covering the $21 million in debt is going to be so important, they'll need to believe the club has backing enough to get turn things around and make it at least past the world cup.

 

[Rebel man]

The South-South East will be the most heavily impacted (especially if travelling by car) but everybody not in the west is going to feel the pain.

But it would be pennies on the dollar compared to AAMI park facilities, we wouldn't be obliged to schedule fixtures around the Storm or the Vuck or Shitty, and we'd have owners who for some god forsaken reason are trying to make West Melbourne more desirable to do things in and want us to be part of it.

A sacrifice I'm very comfortable making.

Look it makes sense just sucks it’s not close. If I get a good run then it’s around the same time as the train to the G. But then I can’t drink at the ground

 

[PhilClinton]

Rebels players already asking the question whether a change in HQ location from Olympic Blvd to the new venue constitutes a breach of their employment agreement.

I haven’t seen one of the contracts but apparently under location of work it lists the current HQ address.

 

[Scooter]

Well, they're not attending much at present. Couldn't be much worse. Not trying to be negative. Hope this pulls through as I don't want to see the Rebels and by extension the Vic Rugby community cut and lost for good.

Fair point.

 

[Rebel man]

Rebels players already asking the question whether a change in HQ location from Olympic Blvd to the new venue constitutes a breach of their employment agreement.

I haven’t seen one of the contracts but apparently under location of work it lists the current HQ address.

Companies move all the time, I get it is shit as you are now commuting further or living in an area that you don’t want to.

 

[Highlander35]

Rebels players already asking the question whether a change in HQ location from Olympic Blvd to the new venue constitutes a breach of their employment agreement.

I haven’t seen one of the contracts but apparently under location of work it lists the current HQ address.

100% on the letter of the law I'm sure it's an option, but I'm interested to see how these laws, in practice, would apply to professional sport.

Like, if we were moved to Adelaide, for sure, fuck off Rebels, go get that bag.

But if we moved to say, Brunswick, that would clearly be a fuck off players.

There's definitely a line somewhere.

 

[LeCheese]

Rebels players already asking the question whether a change in HQ location from Olympic Blvd to the new venue constitutes a breach of their employment agreement.

I haven’t seen one of the contracts but apparently under location of work it lists the current HQ address.

A quick google suggests it's pretty murky; however, if it explicitly states Olympic Blvd, without any other concessions (e.g. 'or wherever the company sees fit'), it would appear the contract may be void. If Rebels come to the party with transport arrangements, etc., that may aid their case.

A few links below for those interested:

Article Preview · Library - Fair Work Ombudsman

library.fairwork.gov.au

Relocation of Employees: the Risks and how to Manage Those Risks

Employers occasionally have cause to relocate employees from one business premises to another. Whether this is due to structural changes in the

www.peopleculture.com.au

How to avoid "business relocation blues"

A growing workforce, strategic expansion, or the end of a lease can sometimes force businesses to relocate their premises or and employees.

www.landers.com.au

 

[Rebel man]

Well the ground won’t be ready for 2025 no player is contracted beyond that. So it’s all good

 

[PhilClinton]

Yeh it will depend on how detailed the location clause is, but I know businesses have been locking that down a bit more since COVID and the whole remote working situations.

I believe if it’s quite vague it opens the business up to more potential fringe benefit tax implications.

I am sure there is an employment lawyer somewhere on here who knows more. I know though for example when my business wanted to relocate some staff to a coastal office, we had to jump through a number of hoops due to the distance of the move.

 

[Dctarget]

No chance would it be breach of contract. The contract would be built to allow relocation, what happens if AAMI floods? What happens if Covid hits again and they’re relocated to Paramatta?

 

[Strewthcobber]

Well the ground won’t be ready for 2025 no player is contracted beyond that. So it’s all good

The smaller training ground and precinct is ready though right?. So if they are expected to turn up there it will be an issue

 

[PhilClinton]

No chance would it be breach of contract. The contract would be built to allow relocation, what happens if AAMI floods? What happens if Covid hits again and they’re relocated to Paramatta?

There are separate clauses which cover things like that and I’m not sure “your employer is broke so we are making you travel” falls under the same category as global pandemic.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Won't all the players be on a new employment contract with the new owners anyway (even if the terms are the same)?

 

[KevinO]

Well I'm sure RUPA is going to be involved in that, as for travel. They will be against the peak and I'm sure the Rebels were looking to move training to Latrobe for cheaper facilities anyway. So this will actually be a bit closer.

 

[PhilClinton]

Won't all the players be on a new employment contract with the new owners anyway (even if the terms are the same)?

Yes and no.

Legally have to transfer the terms exactly as per the old employer. ‘An employee cannot be in a worse off position’ is essentially the gist of any employment transfer.

 

[SouthernX]

There are separate clauses which cover things like that and I’m not sure “your employer is broke so we are making you travel” falls under the same category as global pandemic.

Think the law uses vague language like reasonable relocation. This is reasonable IMO.

many Brisbane players were jumping in their cars to go play for qld country at bond university in NRC days.

If the greener grass defectors want to ply their trade elsewhere. There’s someone else in Australia rugby landscape ready to take their place in Wyndham.

without a pathway 3rd tier competition there’s a limited amount of super rugby jobs on offer.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Yes and no.

Legally have to transfer the terms exactly as per the old employer. ‘An employee cannot be in a worse off position’ is essentially the gist of any employment transfer.

The players that don't want to go to the new training ground wouldn't be forced to sign the new contracts though right? So they could just leave by not signing on.

There doesn't need to be a breach of contract, because they are all ending